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1 posted on 03/05/2025 2:42:35 AM PST by Jonty30
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LBJ signed medicare into law in 1965. So i would say no, not constitutional, but law by congress.


2 posted on 03/05/2025 2:45:24 AM PST by exnavy (See article IV section 4 of our constitution.)
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I doubt it. The only thing that would be good is if they shut down the government, they’d shut down everything. Democrats want to shut it down. Let’s make it hurt!


3 posted on 03/05/2025 2:46:03 AM PST by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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Providing health care services and/or health care insurance is not listed in the Constitution as an enumerated power of the federal government. The tenth amendment states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


4 posted on 03/05/2025 2:52:09 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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So you want to take the overwhelming victory that President Trump is bringing us and turn it into a complete and utter loss??


6 posted on 03/05/2025 3:17:01 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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I’m guessing that many would argue the Commerce Clause.


7 posted on 03/05/2025 3:17:40 AM PST by jimfree (My 22 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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https://www.usconstitution.net/constitution-and-healthcare-policy/

This might help...

Most is done under Article 1; Sect. 8 ...”provide for the common Defense and General Welfare” clause

see also: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-8/

It would be a massive undertaking to rid ourselves of Medicare/Medicaid and by extension, Social Security. Given SCOTUS precedents, it won’t happen. Given those programs’ 3rd rail status, I doubt any Congress will even try to eliminate them.


8 posted on 03/05/2025 3:20:07 AM PST by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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USSC ruled Obama care constitutional so why wouldn’t they do the same for Medicare/Medicaid?


10 posted on 03/05/2025 3:27:31 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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Same as SS and any welfare. They’re gimmicks to get votes.


12 posted on 03/05/2025 3:39:08 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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90% of what the fed gov does is unConstitutional


17 posted on 03/05/2025 4:19:59 AM PST by wny
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General health care should be cheap and plentiful. A visit to a health care provider shouldn’t cost $250. Licensing, insurance, regulations, and grifting cartels cause the problem. That’s Goobermint wrecking stuff.

Major health care will always be rationed, by delivery or availability, and expensive.

MAHA is the best opportunity for a healthy society in my lifetime.
Focus on maintaining health, not treating illness afterwards.


20 posted on 03/05/2025 4:31:34 AM PST by Macoozie (Roll MAGA, roll!)
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The Democrats don’t want to the public to know how much of our money is being used in these two areas is fraud. Wonder if it is being directed to other uses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


22 posted on 03/05/2025 5:03:45 AM PST by LoveMyFreedom
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My understanding, which is quite suspect I admit, is the following:

1. Commerce Clause - this clause was inserted for the sole purpose of regulating trade between states, foreign nations, and Indians. Any extension beyond this basic concept was outside the intent.

2. General Welfare - James Madison (and Jefferson), who wrote the document and explained in Federalist 41, stated that the “general welfare” was not a separate power, but a simple summary of the enumerated powers.

If this is a correct understanding of the original intent, which I am certainly not a scholar of the Constitution, then anything using “general welfare” as a power is unconstitutional. And, any use of the Commerce clause beyond regulating trade or claiming some extended derivative of that is also unconstitutional.

Very little of the Federal Budget is truly Constitutional, if one uses original intent, which IMHO is the only correct way to use the document.


24 posted on 03/05/2025 5:51:23 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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Letter yes
Spirit no

Necessary and Proper clause backed by United States v. Fisher (1805) and McCulloch v. Maryland (1819).

Article III Sections 1 and 2 was a huge swing and miss along with the aforementioned ambiguous Necessary and Proper clause. The Anti-Federalists were right all along.

31 posted on 03/05/2025 6:31:20 AM PST by rollo tomasi
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Congress does have the constitutional authority to pass laws.

It’s an abuse of the welfare clause, as many other clauses of the constitution are abused.

“Welfare” should be narrowly interpreted but the courts have allowed a wide interpretation.

Social security, and any other government charity program for that matter, fall into this same trap.


33 posted on 03/05/2025 7:13:30 AM PST by fruser1
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Of course… it is not.


34 posted on 03/05/2025 8:15:26 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would fhave to resort to prostitution.)
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I remember hearing mention of “medical care for the aged” being debated in congress, at a time when I was young enough to have little interest in the news. Never thought I’d end up old!


37 posted on 03/05/2025 1:39:30 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE fSPEECH! )
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