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Did Trump Screw up?
https://www.facebook.com ^ | Feb 28 2025 | Benson Chit Chat Michael McCune

Posted on 03/01/2025 12:07:53 PM PST by Beowulf9

Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up. However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated. Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.

When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.

Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.

Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.

So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.

Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them. Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats’ support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him. They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.

Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump’s terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.

By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond. Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.

Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone”.

Found it an interesting perspective. Possibly true.


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KEYWORDS: concerntroll; concerntrolling; trump; zelensky
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To: 9YearLurker

Did you read it? If you did you will see why I posted it.


41 posted on 03/01/2025 12:57:06 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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To: Beowulf9

It was a play. Staged/planned/fake/charade/an act/drama.

To what end? I have no idea.

Vance started it, right on que. Trump let it play out and CONTINUE!

If real, Trump would have stopped it.

You don’t air your dirty laundry in front of the press unless you want them and everyone else to see it.


42 posted on 03/01/2025 1:02:40 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: faucetman

The ‘end’ is stated in that guys post I posted.

Did you read it?


43 posted on 03/01/2025 1:08:15 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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To: Beowulf9
Zelensky said he didn't get most of the money because it was spent here, not given to Ukraine. It's not as though we transferred billions to Kiev and then said, "Buy what you need." The money was used for weapons here, for which the Ukraine funds were charged for new or upgraded equipment when they received used or "past its expiration" arms. The Pentagon IG, I think, already raised questions about that, although our own forces benefitted from new equipment.

The Euros should be footing most of the bill, not the US. I see a lot of Trump's rhetoric aimed at forcing them to pick up the tab and do more for their own defense, which is really the first time a US President is doing that. Very good.

I even understand Trump schmoozing Putin with no explicit security guarantees for Ukraine as a good thing to get negotiations started, and I never thought Ukraine would get all of its 1991 territory back.

But trying to force an immediate ceasefire when Russia can just restart hostilities when it has rearmed means Ukraine gets nothing. It would have been smarter to make that call while explaining how a big US & Euro arms package would be in the wings to let Putin know any resumption of hostilities would be very painful. But I don't see that.

44 posted on 03/01/2025 1:11:44 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Beowulf9

No!


45 posted on 03/01/2025 1:15:13 PM PST by spincaster (ifi)
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To: Beowulf9

In WW-II, Britain had to deplete her treasury and then sign long term leases to strategic bases in order to obtain war supplies from the US.


46 posted on 03/01/2025 1:22:11 PM PST by fso301
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To: Beowulf9

NO!


47 posted on 03/01/2025 1:23:40 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: Beowulf9

I read it when someone else (maybe you?) posted a thread with it earlier today.

Who is the guy that he gets such an honor from you?


48 posted on 03/01/2025 1:28:00 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Beowulf9

Ha! For the last ten years, every time I thought DJT had screwed up, he hadn’t. I’ve decided to quit betting against him.


49 posted on 03/01/2025 1:28:25 PM PST by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations.)
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To: Beowulf9

Ha! For the last ten years, every time I thought DJT had screwed up, he hadn’t. I’ve decided to quit betting against him.


50 posted on 03/01/2025 1:28:25 PM PST by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations.)
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To: Beowulf9

Ha! For the last ten years, every time I thought DJT had screwed up, he hadn’t. I’ve decided to quit betting against him.


51 posted on 03/01/2025 1:28:25 PM PST by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations.)
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To: Beowulf9

Nobody is in any position right now to say whether he did or not. There’s a lot of game left to be played.


52 posted on 03/01/2025 1:30:01 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: pierrem15

Yeah, I get his direction but it was not handled well and he did call Vance a bitch. He already was there with the intention of trying to get more out of us. Let Europe come to the fore.


53 posted on 03/01/2025 1:35:56 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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To: 9YearLurker

It was not an ‘honor’. I just thought it a very intelligent post. Made sense to me. I don’t know this person at all. Never saw his posts before, a friend of mine shared his post to me, she doesn’t know him either, he’s just a guy who made a good point.

I don’t understand why you seem to think there is some conspiracy behind it. Like in a good conversation when someone makes a good argument I thought it good to share the thought.


54 posted on 03/01/2025 1:43:41 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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To: citizen

It is not. wow. Where do you even get that one?


55 posted on 03/01/2025 1:44:30 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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To: Tennessee Nana

Read the post.


56 posted on 03/01/2025 1:45:34 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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To: Beowulf9

Trump told Zelenskyy to give back our weapons. I suspect that he said it that way because Z man has been selling our weapons to the highest bidders.


57 posted on 03/01/2025 1:48:11 PM PST by Eli Kopter (Gentle elves set light to lead the Faroes on the starry way from age to age - U. of Faroe Islands)
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To: Beowulf9

No conspiracy. Just didn’t see it meriting its own thread.

No big deal.


58 posted on 03/01/2025 1:50:00 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: pierrem15

“That’s why Zelensky refused to sign.”

AH - HA - HA - HA - HA - HA!

Go back to France if you are not already there, surrender monkey. Trump refused to sign, you idiot!


59 posted on 03/01/2025 1:52:41 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: 9YearLurker

Well, I do and that is the reason I posted it.

Who are you to tell me what I can post, btw.


60 posted on 03/01/2025 1:57:36 PM PST by Beowulf9 ( )
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