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To: marcusmaximus

“…a sharp cut in Ukraine’s military, a ban on foreign weapons and troops, and a Russian veto on Western security assistance…”

They say it is “false” that Ukraine walked away from this deal? I could see them completely rejecting such a deal, and western powers encouraging them to do so.


4 posted on 02/28/2025 7:47:38 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine; Uncle Miltie

If you think that a veto on Western security assistance is walking away from all sorts of thing, then I can see the point.

If the U.S. piggy bank is dry, and no one with a serious army is willing to send troops, once one has ploughed through all of the military surplus, then this point is no longer nearly as attractive.

If we have Poland’s back, and the other adjoining members of NATO are fine with Ukraine as a buffer state-—then welcome to being a buffer state. It isn’t ideal, but not everyone can be an empire, and even empires aren’t empires forever.


6 posted on 02/28/2025 7:54:10 AM PST by Hieronymus ( )
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To: monkeyshine; Uncle Miltie

If you think that a veto on Western security assistance is walking away from all sorts of thing, then I can see the point.

If the U.S. piggy bank is dry, and no one with a serious army is willing to send troops, once one has ploughed through all of the military surplus, then this point is no longer nearly as attractive.

If we have Poland’s back, and the other adjoining members of NATO are fine with Ukraine as a buffer state-—then welcome to being a buffer state. It isn’t ideal, but not everyone can be an empire, and even empires aren’t empires forever.


7 posted on 02/28/2025 7:54:11 AM PST by Hieronymus ( )
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To: monkeyshine

Witkoff is Trump’s real estate developer golf buddy. It’s pretty clear he is getting his “history” on this topic from the likes of Tucker and other self interested Twitter news entertainment personalities.


27 posted on 02/28/2025 12:17:14 PM PST by lodi90
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