Posted on 02/25/2025 11:10:23 AM PST by marcusmaximus
Yeah, you’re right. There will be a 500 billion dollar mining agreement in Ukraine... and Blackrock won’t see a penny. It’ll just be Ukrainian companies extracting and selling, and they’ll send America the money.
This is nothing but a deal with Wall Street. They are replacing the USAID and arms grift, with the minerals deal and rebuilding grift.
Not to mention, this is just tacky for America. Supposedly innocent freedom loving Ukraine was attacked one day for reasons nobody fully understands. And we say, we’ll protect you but you gotta pay us.
To me, that looks like you see an elderly guy getting mugged, and you’ll save him, but in return you expect the deed to his new pickup.
Tacky. Unrefined.
lol!
Good point. You may also want to brush up on how the money flows with mineral royalty payments.
Yeah, you’re naive. The mines and companies that own them, the transport, and ultimately the use of those minerals is all going to Larry Fink and his companies.
Why 2 weeks? Putin has no incentive to stop fighting until he takes all of Ukraine.
AGAIN——THE ART OF THE DEAL-—
You might want to consider learning the difference between a mineral owner and a mining company.
Having mineral rights in the Ukraine gives us a better strategic interest the Ukraine than “defending Democracy”.
I don’t see that much Democracy in the Ukraine nor with the Euroweenies nor with the UK.
Democracy is not looking the other way when grooming gangs are molesting and raping minors and then go after those who speak out against the cover-up.
BOOM SHAKALAKA!
1. The Soviet union had no direct control of its nukes. The code system was only to authenticate communications with the local officers in charge. THEY would use physical keys. In practice it was entirely local control. Which was why the whole Soviet nuke system was a proliferation risk.
2. The said officers with the keys - many were Ukrainian.
3. A bit of adjustment would have removed the local, mechanical key controls.
4. The entire Ukrainian state remained, including the parliament, the Rada, the courts, etc. More importantly the people remain. All such agreements are ultimately with THEM.
Let me know when something is actually signed. Until then I am not going to play this yo yo game.
OMG, I think for the first time in ages I actually agree with you.
Last week I said to someone else here, “It’s one thing to give Germany and France the mother of all “I told you so’s”; it’s quite another to start royally kicking the very same people who were on President Trump’s side in the teeth for pointing out that nobody so far has taken Putin’s side and listened to his bullshit “concerns” without ending up being humiliated in the long run.”
That was in response to an earlier post where I pointed out, even the most hardball pro-Trumpers in the UK have publicly shat the bed after hearing about the $500bn blackmail offer. Even Nigel Farage freaked out. And he’s spent more of the last six months in the USA sucking up to MAGA than he’s spent doing his job in the UK.
Pay double what’s been spent by the USA (and more than 5x what ever actually left the USA to get to Ukraine) in return for no guarantees whatsoever? Good grief. Did anyone with more than two functioning brain cells think that was a “good” deal from the perspective of Ukraine?
Bluntly, the “deal” was so retarded only three explanations made sense:
1. It was smoke-and-mirrors with Trump and Zelensky both doing it to sucker the Russians into complacency, and put the screaming willies up the Europeans. Job done, and now we’re hearing about the REAL deal. Kabuki theater. I mean, Z’s an actor, it ain’t that implausible.
2. Putin put the red button on the table in front of Trump, and Trump’s entire administration folded like a cheap suit. In short - Putin deployed nuclear blackmail.
3. Those rumors of Trump being a “cicada” are true. Russia took the USA without firing a shot - by grooming a KGB asset from the late 80s, and pointing him at the Presidency.
Now, from where I’m sat the first option - kabuki theater - was the only acceptable one. Yet a fellow Freeper was incensed at the suggestion, and thought I was having a go at Trump merely for pointing out, these are the three theories circulating behind closed doors across the West.
What you’ve just said, “this is just tacky for America,” is what many of Trump’s most powerful supporters in Europe are saying out loud. If they’re breaking ranks to even give that muted a criticism, Lord knows what they’re actually thinking in private.
You and me agreeing. It had to happen once! I’m about 98% in agreement with Trump. But it’s just unseemly in my opinion for sir Galahad to ride up on the white horse and claim he’s there to save the day for the damsel in distress, and then telling her he needs compensation if he helps her.
My opinion on why he’s taking this approach, is that he sees everything in terms of a financial deal. And in his mind he thinks Ukraine gets assistance, and America gets money in return. I think Ukraine is a Nazi dictatorship and I don’t wanna support it. But this is an astonishing disconnect from proper behavior. Especially when we spent three years waxing eloquent about protecting democracy, standing with Ukraine for freedom, etc. This isn’t good for our reputation. But I think it’s because he comes out at like a businessman. I wish he came out at like a businessman and thought time to cut losses .
Moscow, which is a city, never controlled any nuclear weapons, they were controlled by the USSR. When the USSR was dissolved, its nuclear weapons came into the legal possession of the USSR’s two largest constituent parts on which these weapons were located, namely Russia and Ukraine. The RSFSR may have shared a capital city with the USSR, but is was a separate legal entity and had no more right to claim ownership of nuclear weapons outside of its territory than it had to claim ownership of any other former Soviet weapons outside of its territory.
You are on the wrong team. F the damn Ukraine!
Until he changes his mind again.
“It was called the Budapest Memorandum. Obama and Biden both turned their backs on that promise”
That is exactly what it was, a worthless Bill Clinton promise. It was never submitted to the US Senate for ratification as even Clinton knew it would lose 100-0. Shame on you for trusting the word of Bill Clinton.
The USA had thirty years to walk back from the Budapest Memorandum.
But over that period, not only has the USA left it in place, it’s reiterated the commitment on multiple occasions... And, other countries including China have backed the memorandum.
Russia committed to compensate Ukraine for the handover of the enriched uranium in the nuclear stockpile (worth far more than the rare earth metals at the time). The USA committed to the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction assistance, to decommission the missile silos.
It wasn’t a worthless promise in any sense other than, the USA and Russia both got what they wanted, and then both shafted Ukraine between 20012 and 2014. Russia was egregiously breaking the terms of the Memorandum with its economic and fuel blackmail, while the State Department and the biolabs were bending the rules in the other direction.
But, without Russia totally breaking the agreement before anyone else, the USA would’ve had no excuse. At least the USA could argue it was invited by Ukraine to get involved; Russia had no such excuse.
One more time. Unless it’s ratified by the US Senate, it’s a worthless Bill Clinton promise. We are not bound by it. Then you trust the Chicoms “commitment” and expect the treacherous Russians to honor it?
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