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To: Kazan

“The Berlin Wall fell on November 9, 1989, and the Iron Curtain began to dissolve. Numerous U.S. and western leaders promised Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990 that if the Soviet officials would allow the USSR to break apart, NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.”

Gorbechev has said that idea is false. The promise was in the context of a finally unifying Germany, which was more that western Germany absorbed East Germany, and in the context of Poland still being a soviet-serf state in the Warsaw pact. The promise had to to with NATO forces in western Europe not moving into East Germany; which would have put them on the border with soviet-serf Poland.

The promise had nothing to with the future as the Soviet Union fell about, eastern Europe broke away from the Soviet Union and left the Soviet’s Warsaw pact. The promise could not hold anything against the democratic wishes of the former Soviet and Warsaw Pact states, freed from the Soviet Union. No promises could have been made that would hold them against a future they could choose.


27 posted on 02/24/2025 9:04:34 AM PST by Wuli (qq)
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To: Wuli
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University

28 posted on 02/24/2025 9:12:42 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Wuli
Tell us why you think you know more about the subject matter than General Michael Flynn:

President Trump's Final Break With Neocon Ideology

The Berlin Wall fell on November 9, 1989, and the Iron Curtain began to dissolve. Numerous U.S. and western leaders promised Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990 that if the Soviet officials would allow the USSR to break apart, NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.”

29 posted on 02/24/2025 9:15:08 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Wuli
Gorbechev has said that idea is false. The promise was in the context of a finally unifying Germany, which was more that western Germany absorbed East Germany, and in the context of Poland still being a soviet-serf state in the Warsaw pact. The promise had to to with NATO forces in western Europe not moving into East Germany; which would have put them on the border with soviet-serf Poland.

So, rather than trust declassified documents on what was said, you want me to trust propaganda that doesn't even quote Gorbechev?

Only a numbskull would Russia would or tolerate want a NATO expansion and build up on its border.

Yet, a war pig like you thinks that's acceptable, proving it's those with your mentality that are truly greatest national security threat to the nation and peace in the free world.

32 posted on 02/24/2025 9:29:12 AM PST by Kazan
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