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The world’s wealth moving from the West to the East? Almost certainly.
1 posted on 01/29/2025 6:01:18 AM PST by delta7
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To: delta7
Scammer Martin Armstrong doesn't understand AI. Read here why:

Socrates and Artificial Intelligence (AI)
2 posted on 01/29/2025 6:08:22 AM PST by MoneyBack
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To: delta7
Some US politicians are already calling for a ban. “The U.S. cannot allow CCP models such as DeepSeek to risk our national security and leverage our technology to advance their AI ambitions. We must work to swiftly place stronger export controls on technologies critical to DeepSeek’s AI infrastructure,” Rep. John Moolenaar, R-Mich., the chair of the House Select Committee on China, said Monday.

This is a totally stupid statement. Politicians evidently don't know what Open Source means. It means that the source code used to develop the application is available to anyone, usually free of charge. I was a computer science prof for 10 years at a Big Ten university so I know what Open Source means and the benefits it affords the development community. For US software developers to follow the advice offered here and not stand of the shoulders of those who have gone before us is an ostrich approach to AI development. Someone should take Rep. Moolenaar aside and explain to his what Open Source is all about.

5 posted on 01/29/2025 6:13:37 AM PST by econjack
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To: delta7

Alexa, tell me how to win!

Listen up, Kamala,....

The technology isn’t comprehensive.


7 posted on 01/29/2025 6:19:46 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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Copilot on ‘global warming’:

Global warming is a significant and pressing issue that refers to the long-term increase in Earth’s average surface temperature due to human activities, primarily the emission of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4). These gases trap heat in the atmosphere, leading to a range of environmental impacts, including:

Rising sea levels due to melting polar ice caps and glaciers.

More frequent and severe weather events, such as hurricanes, droughts, and heatwaves.

Disruption of ecosystems and loss of biodiversity.

Ocean acidification, which affects marine life.

Addressing global warming requires a collective effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, transition to renewable energy sources, and implement sustainable practices. It’s a complex challenge, but every small action can contribute to a larger positive impact.


10 posted on 01/29/2025 6:26:03 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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The US has about 100 million bovines and about 3 million square miles.

Do you really expect me to believe one belching bull or cow per 20 acres could impact the climate?


12 posted on 01/29/2025 6:29:33 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: delta7

“Some US politicians are already calling for a ban.”
An acquaintance at Stanford has told me DeepSeek is banned from the electronics of all electronic devices of employees and students.


13 posted on 01/29/2025 6:31:31 AM PST by ArtDodger
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Semiconductor chips are shaping the tech race. It takes semiconductor chips to operate these AI programs and that has been an ongoing problem for American companies. Chinese companies do not have such problems.

Does anyone else see how shallow this guys understanding of how computers and AI works? Is the underlined part of the quote above a surprise to anyone over the age of 5?

14 posted on 01/29/2025 6:32:52 AM PST by econjack
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I am dubious about DeepSeek's claims.

The $5.6 million development cost seems wildly low compared to the vast resources typically required to train a competitive LLM. Even if China has cheaper labor and state-backed infrastructure, AI training is still hardware-intensive and requires massive compute power—which isn’t cheap.

Other red flags:

Speed of Development (55 days claimed) – AI models take years to refine, especially at ChatGPT-level quality. Even with shortcuts, getting top-tier performance fast is highly unlikely.

Energy Efficiency Claims – AI training is extremely energy-intensive. If DeepSeek is significantly more efficient than GPT-4, it would raise serious questions about what corners were cut.

H800 GPUs – U.S. export controls restrict China’s access to NVIDIA H100 chips, forcing them to rely on H800s, a downgraded version. If DeepSeek was trained on these, performance may be inferior to Western models.

China’s AI Warfare & Propaganda – China plays the long game in tech wars, often using state subsidies, data control, and strategic deception to appear ahead. They have incentives to inflate their AI capabilities to shift global perception and policy.

Bottom line: If DeepSeek is as powerful, efficient, and cost-effective as claimed, either China has made an unprecedented AI breakthrough or they’re bluffing. Given the stakes, deception is a real possibility.

17 posted on 01/29/2025 6:41:51 AM PST by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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There is also another Chinese LLM it’s competing with, Alibaba’s Qwen.


23 posted on 01/29/2025 6:53:50 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: delta7
as with ANYTHING from china: Caveat Emptor
28 posted on 01/29/2025 7:11:06 AM PST by wafflehouse ("there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon" -Alice's Restaurant Massacree)
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To: delta7

Armstrong is a legendary economic and software expert. His legendary MSDOS based Socrates program led him to three bankruptsies and eleven years in jail after losing $700,000,000 of his clients’ finds in bad trades.


30 posted on 01/29/2025 8:57:20 AM PST by TexasGator (11111.111''!11)
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IATG


32 posted on 01/29/2025 9:03:58 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: delta7

“DeepSeek, which has already surpassed ChatGPT as the most downloaded AI app on the Apple app store.”

DeepSeek has less total downloads than ChatGPT has each month.


40 posted on 01/29/2025 12:42:48 PM PST by TexasGator (11111.111''!11)
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“Now, DeepSeek has around 50,000 NVIDIA H100 chips but they cannot speak about the matter due to US export controls.”

The H100 is not exactly “cheap”. $30k a pop.

That would $1.5 billion.

Armstrong must have not consulted Socrates.


41 posted on 01/29/2025 12:50:44 PM PST by TexasGator (11111.111''!11)
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To: delta7

CCP. All your data are belong to us.


43 posted on 01/29/2025 1:52:41 PM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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