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1 posted on 12/19/2024 9:35:28 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski
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Sounds like he’s channeling Kamala’s word salad...


2 posted on 12/19/2024 9:36:59 AM PST by Slicksadick (We accept the love we think we deserve.)
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The Sultan wants to bring back the Ottoman Empire in Syria and beyond.


3 posted on 12/19/2024 9:39:28 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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Bulgarian, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, the Kurds and anyone else threatened by the Turks should forge a mutual defense alliance against any such revival of the Turkish scourge. Alone they are too weak, and they sure can’t count on the US to defend them (rather the contrary). Maybe the Russians can help provide a protective shield, and maybe Trump really will pull out of NATO to give them the latitude they would need to do this.


4 posted on 12/19/2024 9:40:40 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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I suspect the Syrians Assad couldn’t beat have other plans.


7 posted on 12/19/2024 9:43:34 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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He’s right.

“Jehad is a continuous and never-ending struggle waged on all fronts including political, economic, social, psychological, domestic, moral and spiritual to attain the objectives of policy.” - The Quranic Concept of War


8 posted on 12/19/2024 9:44:20 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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Great, now both Russia and Turkey want to reestablish their old empires. Who gets Crimea?


9 posted on 12/19/2024 9:45:10 AM PST by Petrosius
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Sounds like a German ruler in the early 30’s a little bit.


10 posted on 12/19/2024 9:45:23 AM PST by packrat35 (Pureblood! No clot shot for me!)
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He thinks like a German did ~90 years ago.

He should consult Brussels & Strasbourg if he wants to build a second Ottoman Empire.


13 posted on 12/19/2024 9:50:10 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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14 posted on 12/19/2024 9:50:44 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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All I want is peace, peace,
A little piece of Poland, a little piece of France....


15 posted on 12/19/2024 9:54:08 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher )
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16 posted on 12/19/2024 9:54:14 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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Sudetenland


17 posted on 12/19/2024 9:56:49 AM PST by null and void (Regarding the second Trump presidency, everyone who isn’t terrified is thankful!)
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Well, here we go again.

My later father-in-law, a Serb from Hezegovina, always said, “never trust a dog or a Turk.” He was half right.


18 posted on 12/19/2024 9:59:35 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (God save the United States!)
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Also, Erdogan is including the ancient homeland Turkmenistan is his view as to what “Turkey” is. He might not have said it in this instance, but he has said it before.

Russia might want to take heed!


19 posted on 12/19/2024 10:00:50 AM PST by Reily (a)
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WIKI

While the Treaty of Sèvres was still under discussion, the Turkish national movement under Mustafa Kemal Pasha split with the monarchy, based in Istanbul, and set up a Turkish Grand National Assembly in Ankara in April 1920. The so-called Ankara government closely monitored the preparation of the draft treaty and its acceptance by the Istanbul government. On June 7, 1920, the Grand National Assembly passed a law declaring all treaties signed by the Istanbul Government since 16 March 1920 (the formal occupation of Istanbul) invalid.

During the Turkish War of Independence, the Turkish Army successfully fought Greek, Armenian and French forces and secured the independence of a territory similar to that of present-day Turkey, as was aimed at by the National Pact.

The Turkish national movement developed its own international relations with the Treaty of Moscow with Soviet Russia on 16 March 1921, the Accord of Ankara with France putting an end to the Franco-Turkish War, the Treaty of Alexandropol with the Armenians and the Treaty of Kars to fix the eastern borders.

Hostilities with Britain over the neutral zone of the Straits were narrowly avoided in the Chanak Crisis of September 1922, when the Armistice of Mudanya was concluded on 11 October, leading the former Allies of World War I to return to the negotiating table with the Turks in November 1922. That culminated in 1923 in the Treaty of Lausanne, which replaced the Treaty of Sèvres and restored a large territory in Anatolia and Thrace to the Turks. Under the Treaty of Lausanne, France and Italy had only areas of economic interaction, rather than zones of influence. Constantinople was not made an international city, and a demilitarised zone between Turkey and Bulgaria was established.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_S%C3%A8vres


21 posted on 12/19/2024 10:04:03 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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I can’t think of a bigger turkey than....Turkey


24 posted on 12/19/2024 10:12:27 AM PST by johnnygeneric (Blocked website)
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“The Kurdish state envisioned in the Sèvres Treaty would, crucially, have been under British control. While this appealed to some Kurdish nationalists, others found this form of British-dominated “independence” problematic. So they joined up to fight with the Turkish national movement. Particularly among religious Kurds, continued Turkish or Ottoman rule seemed preferable to Christian colonization. Other Kurds, for more practical reasons, worried that once in charge the British would inevitably support recently dispossessed Armenians seeking to return to the region. Some subsequently regretted their decision when it became clear the state they had fought to create would be significantly more Turkish — and less religious — than anticipated.”

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/10/sykes-picot-treaty-of-sevres-modern-turkey-middle-east-borders-turkey/


25 posted on 12/19/2024 10:15:40 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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Pipe down Turkey. Your contributions ended thousands of years ago.


26 posted on 12/19/2024 10:16:11 AM PST by samadams2000
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The Arabs, with not-forgotten centuries of Ottoman overlords removed from them over a century ago, are not very likely to succumb to Turkish hegemony again, not even over Syria. The Syrian Islamist Arabs current flirtation with Erdogan is likely to be a short lived alliance of convenience, the Arabs will disabuse themselves of soon enough. If Erdogan is stupid enough he will ignite a new multi-pronged civil war in Syria aligned much more strictly on ethnic grounds - Arabs, Turks and Kurds.


27 posted on 12/19/2024 10:18:01 AM PST by Wuli
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Stop neo-Ottoman aggression!


31 posted on 12/19/2024 10:48:41 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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