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THE CRUMBLING FOUNDATION OF AMERICA’S MILITARY
Atlantic Monthly ^ | Dec 17, 2024 | Mark Bowden

Posted on 12/19/2024 2:51:35 AM PST by Reverend Wright

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To: ansel12
Actually Russia is fighting a little nobody country and not NATO which is merely doing some of the material support of the victim nation and isn’t even there.

Actually you are absolutely, positively 100% WRONG!

What you call "some material support" consists of eight years of the so-called best of US/NATO training, almost $500 billion in aid from the West, and so-called US/NATO experts and advisors who sit in Ukraine directing the war and leading the charge using our best technology. In other words, we've outsourced the manpower to them Ukies while we do the heavy lifting. Why do you think it's called a proxy war?

That's whey you are actually absolutely, positively 100% WRONG!

61 posted on 12/21/2024 8:46:53 AM PST by icclearly
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To: ansel12
personally I think it is absurd...

Personally, you're entitled to your own thoughts, but NOT YOUR OWN FACTS.

Further, I'm not sure anybody really cares about what goes on inside your mind/head.

62 posted on 12/21/2024 8:51:39 AM PST by icclearly
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To: icclearly

If NATO is this awesome without even being there, then it is clear that Russia would never stand a chance if they faced us all on a European battlefield.

As far as your adamant claim that Guam has 54 American military bases, and Puerto Rico 34, Japan 110, etc.

While their chart doesn’t post well, the first number after the name of the country is the number of bases you say are there.

Table 1. Countries with U.S. Military Bases
Country Name Total # of Base Sites Government Type Personnel Est. Military Construction Funding (FY2000-19) Protest Significant Environmental Damage

AMERICAN SAMOA 1 U.S. colony 309 $19.5 million No Yes
ARUBA 1 Dutch colony 225 $27.1 million
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Yes No
ASCENSION ISLAND 1 British colony 800 $2.2 million No Yes
AUSTRALIA 7 Full democracy 1,736 $116 million Yes Yes
BAHAMAS, THE 6 Full democracy 56 $31.1 million No Yes
BAHRAIN 12 Authoritarian 4,603 $732.3 million No Yes
BELGIUM 11 Flawed democracy 1,869 $430.1 million Yes Yes
BOTSWANA 1 Flawed democracy 16 UNDISCLOSED No No
BULGARIA 4 Flawed democracy 2,500 $80.2 million No No
BURKINA FASO 1 Authoritarian 16 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
CAMBODIA 1 Authoritarian 15 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
CAMEROON 2 Authoritarian 10 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
CANADA 3 Full democracy 161 UNDISCLOSED Yes Yes
CHAD 1 Authoritarian 20 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
CHILE 1 Full democracy 35 UNDISCLOSED No No
COLOMBIA 1 Flawed democracy 84 $43 million Yes No
COSTA RICA 1 Full democracy 16 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
CUBA 1 Authoritarian
25
1,004 $538 million Yes Yes
CURAÇAO 1 Full democracy
26
225 $27.1 million No No
CYPRUS 1 Flawed democracy 10 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
DIEGO GARCIA 2 British colony 3,000 $210.4 million Yes Yes
DJIBOUTI 2 Authoritarian 126 $480.5 million No Yes
EGYPT 1 Authoritarian 259 UNDISCLOSED No No
EL SALVADOR 1 Hybrid regime 70 $22.7 million No No
ESTONIA 1 Flawed democracy 17 $60.8 million No No
GABON 1 Authoritarian 10 UNDISCLOSED No No
GEORGIA 1 Hybrid regime 29 UNDISCLOSED No No
GERMANY 119 Full democracy 46,562 $5.8 billion Yes Yes
GHANA 1 Flawed democracy 19 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
GREECE 8 Flawed democracy 446 $179.1 million Yes Yes
GREENLAND 1 Danish colony 147 $168.9 million Yes Yes
GUAM 54 U.S. colony 11,295 $2 billion Yes Yes
HONDURAS 2 Hybrid regime 371 $39.1 million Yes Yes
HUNGARY 2 Flawed democracy 82 $55.4 million No No
ICELAND 2 Full democracy 3 $51.5 million Yes No
IRAQ 6 Authoritarian 2,500 $895.4 million Yes Yes
IRELAND 1 Full democracy 8 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
ISRAEL 6 Flawed democracy 127 UNDISCLOSED No No
ITALY 44 Flawed democracy 14,756 $1.7 billion Yes Yes
JAPAN 119 Full democracy 63,690 $2.1 billion Yes Yes
JOHNSTON ATOLL 1 U.S. colony 0 UNDISCLOSED No Yes
JORDAN 2 Authoritarian 211 $255 million Yes No
KENYA 3 Hybrid regime 59 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
KOREA, REPUBLIC OF 76 Full democracy 28,503 $2.3 billion Yes Yes
KOSOVO 1 Flawed democracy* 18 UNDISCLOSED No Yes
KUWAIT 10 Authoritarian 2,054 $156 million Yes Yes
LATVIA 1 Flawed democracy 14 $14.6 million No No
LUXEMBOURG 1 Full democracy 21 $67.4 million No No
MALI 1 Authoritarian 20 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
MARSHALL ISLANDS 12 Full democracy* 96 $230.3 million Yes Yes
NETHERLANDS 6 Full democracy 641 $11.4 million Yes Yes
NIGER 8 Authoritarian 21 $50 million Yes No
N. MARIANA ISLANDS 5 U.S. colony 45 $2.1 billion Yes Yes
NORWAY 7 Full democracy 167 $24.1 million Yes No
OMAN 6 Authoritarian 25 $39.2 million No Yes
PALAU, REPUBLIC OF 3 Full democracy* 12 UNDISCLOSED No No
PANAMA 11 Flawed democracy 35 UNDISCLOSED No No
PERU 2 Flawed democracy 51 UNDISCLOSED No No
PHILIPPINES 8 Flawed democracy 155 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
POLAND 4 Flawed democracy 226 $395.4 million No No
PORTUGAL 21 Flawed democracy 256 $87.2 million No Yes
PUERTO RICO 34 U.S. colony 13,571 $788.8 million Yes Yes
QATAR 3 Authoritarian 501 $559.5 million No Yes
ROMANIA 6 Flawed democracy 165 $363.7 million No No
SAUDI ARABIA 11 Authoritarian 693 UNDISCLOSED No Yes
SENEGAL 1 Hybrid regime 15 UNDISCLOSED No No
SINGAPORE 2 Flawed democracy 374 UNDISCLOSED No No
SLOVAKIA 2 Flawed democracy 12 $118.7 million No No
SOMALIA 5 Hybrid regime* 71 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
SPAIN 4 Full democracy 3,353 $292.2 million No Yes
SURINAME 2 Flawed democracy 2 UNDISCLOSED No No
SYRIA 4 Authoritarian 900 UNDISCLOSED Yes No
THAILAND 1 Flawed democracy 115 UNDISCLOSED No No
TUNISIA 1 Flawed democracy 26 UNDISCLOSED No No
TURKEY 13 Hybrid regime 1,758 $63.8 million Yes Yes
UGANDA 1 Hybrid regime 14 UNDISCLOSED No No
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 3 Authoritarian 215 $35.4 million No Yes
UNITED KINGDOM 25 Full democracy 10,770 $1.9 billion Yes Yes
VIRGIN ISLANDS, U.S. 6 U.S. colony 787 $72.3 million No Yes
WAKE ISLAND 1 U.S. colony 5 $70.1 million No Yes


63 posted on 12/21/2024 9:12:49 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12; All
US BoomerCon delusions and braggadocio is going to drag NATO into a losing war. And that includes Canada.

Your corporate class outsourced your industry, and now you are at a greater disadvantage than Japan in 1941.

Canada out of NATO now !


64 posted on 12/21/2024 12:48:19 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

As an America hating Canadian boomer you keep describing an America that according to your years of descriptions doesn’t spend enough on defense and will have to fight shoeless, without uniforms and without weapons and air forces.


65 posted on 12/21/2024 2:05:11 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
As far as your adamant claim that Guam has 54 American military bases.......

I never said, "Guam had 54 bases." I said there were almost 800 military bases around the world. Please show me in my prior post where I made that comment. You can't - 'cause I did not.

According to the list you published, we have bases in over 75 countries, which is almost 40% of the countries on the planet!

The count from your list also shows well over 700 bases. Thank you for publishing that.

We have over 400 bases in the US. So, our trillion-dollar boondoggle of a military budget is supporting well over a thousand military bases around the planet.

I guess you will dispute the fact that we spend almost a trillion dollars on the military next. Right?

You are simply making it up with your opinion and ludicrous comments!

Here we are, pissing away a trillion dollars on a military that shoots down their own planes (https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4285860/posts), leaves behind a billion dollars in arms while we escape Afganastain and lose $100 million F35s in our own country.

In the meantime, other countries are using their resources to build up their infrastructure, help their citizens, and build up their economies. All this while we stir up endless wars all across the planet!

Smart. Real smart.

66 posted on 12/22/2024 7:58:21 AM PST by icclearly
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To: icclearly
Your count includes that 54 bases in Guam and I have pointed that out to you over and over, in-between your personal attacks and name calling, when you claim almost 800 military bases you are including all of those listed in post 63 by the left-wing source who put the claim together.

Here is one of your American military bases for example.

The Marine Corps War Dog Cemetery and Memorial In Guam, counted as a “base site” by David Vine – Photo Credit Dawn C. Montgomery, U.S. DoD


67 posted on 12/22/2024 8:13:26 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Darksheare
Most of the EQUIPMENT we have sent IS old stuff. When it comes to newer gear, say, HIMARS, we actually have over 100 MORE than we did at the start of the Ukraine war.

The biggest shortage is artillery ammo, but, the Euro's and South Koreans are ramping up fast. Given Western advantages in accuracy and targeting, the effective artillery advantage Russia has is slipping away, and may be gone by the end of 2025. Basically, that draw (Ukraine) on US arty supplies should be gone by the end of 2025. Sooner if Trump successfully gets a peace deal OR if he doesn't and the conflict slides into a guerilla war (quite likely, IMO.)

That of course leaves a conflict with China (heaven forbid), but, the question the wailers never ask is what would be needed where. There's essentially no chance we will get into a long drawn out land war with China. A dust up with China will be an air and sea battle. Of those things we've not sent a single asset to Ukraine. We HAVE moved on nifty items like land launched Tomahawk missiles, with a system somewhere in Philippines right now. HIMARS based systems that can hit even smallish fast moving sea targets (eg., the smaller ships the Chinese have a slew of) will likely be next.

The real concern is seaborne logistics, fleet oilers in particular. THERE we really are short, and we are also very short on capacity if we need to move a large force to retake, say, Luzon (Philippines.) Air Defense missiles are also a worry, although one can argue the experience we are gaining in the ME and Ukraine might justify what we've shot off. That'd be for fleet and critical point defense - to actually defend the US from shipborne missile attacks we'd better hope a "shoot the archer first" strategy works, because actual missile defense for the whole country would quadruple our defense budget, at least.

68 posted on 03/14/2025 2:12:05 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Paul R.

Thread necromancy is frowned upon.


69 posted on 03/14/2025 2:14:52 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Darksheare

Ok, what would be an appropriate current thread to address those particular points?


70 posted on 03/14/2025 3:22:17 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Zhang Fei

Ukraine will not need artillery shells for too much longer.


71 posted on 03/14/2025 7:56:31 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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