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Put simply: Before anyone is pardoned for a crime or crimes, shouldn’t the crime(s) be disclosed to the American people?
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Posted on 12/11/2024 5:38:05 AM PST by MtnClimber

Put simply:

Before anyone is pardoned for a crime or crimes, shouldn’t the crime(s) be disclosed to the American people?

I understand that the power to pardon is enshrined in the Constitution, but where in the Constitution does it say that the crime that is pardoned shall remain undisclosed to the American people?

The requirement that the crimes be disclosed before they are pardoned should be made law. There is nothing in the Constitution of which I am aware that prevents this requirement for transparency from being made law.

Why would anyone oppose such a law?

Constitutional scholars please put forth your views on this issue.


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1 posted on 12/11/2024 5:38:05 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

A good idea. It is the punishment that is being pardoned, not the facts or the truth.


2 posted on 12/11/2024 5:38:19 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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Well, here’s a question: Just because someone is pardoned and can’t have a criminal conviction or sentence enforced, does that mean you can’t still have a criminal trial?


3 posted on 12/11/2024 5:46:38 AM PST by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: MtnClimber

Allocution should be required.


4 posted on 12/11/2024 5:50:28 AM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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To: MtnClimber

The post-Civil War pardons were for rebellion alone I believe. They excluded mistreatment of POWs I believe.

The rebels weren’t convicted, but they were militarily whipped.

Ford’s pardon of Nixon was broadly written, but it was clearly for obstruction of justice which was made pretty clear by Congressional hearings.


5 posted on 12/11/2024 5:53:26 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY. If they want a pardon, they need to submit a list of the crimes they committed for which they need a pardon.


6 posted on 12/11/2024 5:54:02 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America-hating Democrat "core values" really suck. All Marxist fascists have the same ones.)
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To: MtnClimber

Hunter might live the rest of his life in a lawful manner, and I might inherit a billion dollars.


7 posted on 12/11/2024 5:57:21 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

You can’t pardon someone for something they haven’t been charged and convicted for.


8 posted on 12/11/2024 5:58:27 AM PST by Hattie
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To: MtnClimber

WIKI

In the English and British tradition, the royal prerogative of mercy is one of the historic royal prerogatives of the British monarch, by which they can grant pardons (informally known as a royal pardon) to convicted persons. The royal prerogative of mercy was originally used to permit the monarch to withdraw, or provide alternatives to, death sentences; the alternative of penal transportation to “partes abroade” was used since at least 1617. It is now used to change any sentence or penalty. A royal pardon does not overturn a conviction.

In modern times, by constitutional convention, the prerogative is exercised by the Sovereign on ministerial advice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_of_mercy


9 posted on 12/11/2024 5:59:17 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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The idea of pardoning a convicted criminal raises the question: "Why was X pardoned for (Crime Z) and the 10,000 men and women who were also convicted for (Crime Z) who are in prison are not pardoned?

What happened to "we're all equal under the law?"

Now there may be some narrow circumstances when a person warrants a pardon, but the idea that a person like Biden or a governor can give anyone they choose a blanket pardon just isn't right IMHO.

10 posted on 12/11/2024 5:59:26 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: MtnClimber

To allow this to go unchallenged, is to say that any president can engage in unlawful actions and, if he isn’t impeached, he and his henchmen will totally get away with it.

It’s time to test the Constitutionality of vague, blanket pardons for unnamed crimes.

That’s not being vindictive, it should be required.

Are the Republicans up to it?


11 posted on 12/11/2024 6:00:19 AM PST by farmguy ( )
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To: MtnClimber

You can’t pardon anything unless it’s been detailed.

There needs to be a list of crimes he confesses to, including any accomplices.

Additionally, all charges to be pardoned must also be detailed to understand exactly what is being pardoned.

If he balks even once, the deal would be off and he’s charged for all crimes.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m of the belief you cannot pardon a crime that has not been charged, prosecuted, and sentenced.

But then again... we don’t follow anything resembling law anymore


12 posted on 12/11/2024 6:24:31 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: MtnClimber

There should be no pardon without a conviction, or at least an indictment or charge. Otherwise, it’s not really a pardon but a selective ban on law enforcement.


13 posted on 12/11/2024 6:34:46 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: MtnClimber

A question comes to my mind about Hunter

Has the age of his whores all been verified? Some look very young, how young?

Does this 10 year pardon include pedophilia, MURDER…?

If so it should be revoked by executive order when Trump comes to office, or at least re-worded.


14 posted on 12/11/2024 6:34:49 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: MtnClimber

There should be no pardon without a conviction, or at least an indictment or charge. Otherwise, it’s not really a pardon but a selective ban on law enforcement.


15 posted on 12/11/2024 6:36:04 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: z3n

sure but you would get excoriated by the ‘other side of the aisle’ for wasting taxpayer money


16 posted on 12/11/2024 6:36:43 AM PST by wafflehouse ("there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon" -Alice's Restaurant Massacree)
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To: Hattie

Thank you. Regrettably, I agree with your analysis.


17 posted on 12/11/2024 6:50:58 AM PST by batazoid (Natural born citizen)
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To: MtnClimber

The pardon power is absolute. It’s one of the few absolutes in the President’s quiver.

Yes, it is normally pretty specific. Clinton’s pardon of his brother was specific, as was Bush’s. Ford’s pardon of Nixon was not.

Broad pardons happen. But not often.

Getting worked up about it feels good. But it accomplishes nothing. And who knows…one of “our” presidents might need it in the future.


18 posted on 12/11/2024 6:55:15 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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The pardon power is absolute. It’s one of the few absolutes in the President’s quiver.
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There has to be SOME boundary to this power. Otherwise, any president could issue a blanket pardon to any member of his party on a vast list of those who could be charged in the future. Doubtful that this was intended buy America’s founding fathers.


19 posted on 12/11/2024 7:30:08 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

What crimes did the J6 political prisoners, now being tortured in American prisons, commit?


20 posted on 12/11/2024 7:33:55 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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