[rellic]

I’m going to shock you!
I agree, we should not be in the business
of nation building.
We cannot even take care of ourselves.
That being said we need to keep an international
presence to watch over our interests.
As we learned in WW II isolationism does not work.

[Kazan]

I agree, we should not be in the business of nation building.

How is what we've done in Ukraine any different than what we need in Afghanistan or Iraq?

We essentially colonized the country so the Bidens, George Soros and BlackRock could work with corrupt oligarchs to get rich.

We couldn't have cared less that we had to back, fund and arm neo-Nazis. Or that we setoff a civil war and screwed over those in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea, who are ethnically or pro-Russian.

So, pretending the war in Ukraine is a result of Russian aggression is absurd. It WAS RESULT OF OUR MEDDLING, the same kind of meddling we did in Iraq.

[Kazan]

You don't think it was an act of aggression for us to help foment the Maiden revolution and side with the Ukrainian nationalists in cutting off Russia's access to it naval base in Crimea, one Russia has operated since before the US constitution was written?

We promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the early '90s and then installed a puppet government hostile to Moscow and that wanted to cutoff access to its only warm water naval base.

That blatant aggression on our and NATO's part.

Russia didn't have to be our enemy. We made the Russians our enemy and pushed them into an alliance with China. That was incredibly stupid.