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Trump ally says Ukraine focus must be peace, not territory
BBC ^ | 11/9/2024 | Sofia Ferreira Santos

Posted on 11/09/2024 2:35:52 PM PST by marcusmaximus

A former adviser to President-elect Donald Trump says the incoming administration will focus on achieving peace in Ukraine rather than enabling the country to gain back territory occupied by Russia.

Bryan Lanza, who worked on Trump's 2024 presidential campaign, told the BBC the incoming administration would ask Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for his version of a "realistic vision for peace".

"And if President Zelensky comes to the table and says, well we can only have peace if we have Crimea, he shows to us that he's not serious," he said. "Crimea is gone."

A spokesperson for Trump distanced the incoming president from the remarks, saying Mr Lanza "does not speak for him".

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KEYWORDS: angryneocons; bryanlanza; crimea; lanza; russia; ukraine
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To: Kazan

What is BRICS going to do de-dollarization with, worthless rubles? Try checking the black market exchange rate...


41 posted on 11/09/2024 9:42:57 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.

Tell Ukrainia to have a vote. And free speech. And free will. The oompaloopa gets one vote. Same as every other person that has lost a loved one. For Christ’s sake people. Wake up please. I am so sorry lord. This shouldn’t be this hard. I thought we have “progressed”. Is that only measured by dissected babies? If so I’m out. I will make plans to head then Yukon and subsist until a bear eats me. I’m good with it at this point.


42 posted on 11/09/2024 9:48:17 PM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave those kids alone!)
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To: Who is John Galt?

According to Trump himself, things got VERY dicey with Kimmy of North Korea, before Kimmy backed down.

As it is Trump has said Putin’s demands are “unacceptable”, and separately Trump has said that if Putin stonewalls, he (Trump) would pursue greatly increased weapons support to Ukraine. That IS indeed, the pattern of Trump’s negotiating style: such as when threatening a “100% tariff” and then agreeing to much less if the other side concedes a bit.


43 posted on 11/09/2024 9:55:22 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: JonPreston

Actually, I suspect Pompeo has health problems. He certainly looks it.


44 posted on 11/09/2024 10:06:08 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.

OK. Put him on Joe’s team then. Next.


45 posted on 11/09/2024 10:09:14 PM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave those kids alone!)
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To: marcusmaximus

I just hope Trump can put together a team who will give him a wide range of inputs, sometimes disagree, and yet be loyal.

The absolute worst thing you can do is be surrounded by people who are “yes men” even on the front end of the decision making process. That is too often the Dems’ way...


46 posted on 11/09/2024 10:13:04 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.; Fuzz
Trump is Hitler. He makes peace. He makes countries great again. He makes the world great again. Cause he mixes it with love and World taste good.

Must have yes men. And one fuzz in the room, or else you become Putin.

47 posted on 11/09/2024 10:55:39 PM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave those kids alone!)
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To: marcusmaximus
This will be the new reality.


48 posted on 11/09/2024 11:03:36 PM PST by McGruff (Making America Great Again)
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To: McGruff

OK so let them vote. We stay out. Vlad stays out. Is that an unreasonable compromise? I’m sure they want the killing to stop either way. At least I pray it is so.


49 posted on 11/09/2024 11:06:27 PM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave those kids alone!)
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To: ealgeone
If not, the war will continue drag on for years and years.

That seems the most realistic scenario, but the nature of the war would change.

The other night I was loosely running some numbers, with the present (cost) level of weapons support from the Euros, but focused on what would amount to a high tech guerilla war. Lots of smart drones, for one thing. The cost of the war to Russia for defense and trying to rub out the guerillas would be at least as high as present costs, and one can extrapolate economic losses due to damage caused to infrastructure such as Russia's oil industry in the neighborhood of USD 300-500 billion per year. Very little of this cost in return contributes wealth to the Russian economy - sort of like bureaucrats and lawyers contributing little to the US economy. Then there are the sanctions, which even Pooty has finally admitted are damaging the Russian economy, and, the effects of loss of manpower.

I did not attempt to include the effect of depressed petroleum prices (almost a sure thing with Trump in office).

Anyway, a low end cost estimate comes out around $450-500 billion / year for (all that I included) costs to Russia of such a war.

50 posted on 11/10/2024 3:57:07 AM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.
A few simple facts:
- Ukraine IS a vital national interest to Russia;
- Ukraine IS NOT a vital national interest to the US;
- Both Trump and Putin are aware of the above, and both want to end the war; and
- Anyone who thinks "President Trump is going to bitch slap Putin back to the Volga" is living in cloud cuckoo land, and probably would benefit from professional psychiatric assistance.
51 posted on 11/10/2024 5:21:27 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Who is John Galt?

Right. I vote for sending them to the Vladivostock Institute of Mental Clarity. Heck we pay to ship thousands of Haitians to Tidewater Alabama. We can send a few hundred leftists to get their minds straight. Yeah?


52 posted on 11/10/2024 5:26:18 AM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave those kids alone!)
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To: PIF

Kiev and Odessa are not Warsaw and Prague.

This is what is known as a “category error”.

If in some unimaginable future Mexico had seized San Diego and San Antonio, making war to get them back would not demonstrate a wish to possess Oaxaca and Veracruz.


53 posted on 11/10/2024 5:39:07 AM PST by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Kudsman

Simply refrain from electing them to any public office, and let them pay for their own shrinks...


54 posted on 11/10/2024 5:40:11 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Who is John Galt?

Nice idea, but Democrats. Teachers. Trial Lawyers. You know. The salt of the earth people. Because they hate Hitler. And they hate babies. And Jews. And Trump voters. Basically, everyone on OUR side. Ask them they’ll tell you. Now they’ve even moved on to White married women and male pocs, whom they once loved. Democrats are not well.


55 posted on 11/10/2024 5:47:24 AM PST by Kudsman (Hey,, Democrat,,leave those kids alone!)
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To: marcusmaximus
OIP-23
56 posted on 11/10/2024 6:33:08 AM PST by ANKE69 (✌️🇺🇲 Let's MAGA)
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To: Paul R.
There are things more important than one’s life or possessions, but you as a tool of a dictator wouldn’t be familiar with them, would you?

YOU are a tool of a wanna-be dictator -- Joe Biden and Deep State, which is as bad as the KGB used to be.

Everything numbskulls like you imagine is happening in Russia HAS HAPPENED HERE OVER THE PAST YEARS -- attempts to murder and imprison the President's chief political rival, rigged elections and political prisoners.

I am so sick of freaks like you being more obsessed with Russia than the corruption here.

57 posted on 11/10/2024 9:54:25 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

If you had enough brain cells to remember posts I’ve made in the past, you’d know damn well I have been supporting Trump for the last 8+ years.


58 posted on 11/10/2024 9:02:03 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Who is John Galt?

Ukraine itself is not a vital national interest to the US, true. Ukraine could literally turn into a rather large swath of gravel tomorrow, and the effect on the US would be modest - mainly some inflation due to global grain shortages and so on. However, what matters is how this war proceeds and how that and its conclusion affect the ever developing historical flow of Europe: That is a current in which, guess what, Russia itself is most likely not the main threat to Europe. The threat is these events being the catalyst to Europe returning to its historical pattern.

I suppose that next you will tell us that Europe returning to form and going up in flames has no bearing on US national interests. Righto...

In any event, I have said nothing whatsoever about bitch slapping or the Volga. So, you are a very confused person.

What is true is that if the US pulls back, there is a good possibility this will degrade into a very ugly, very grim, very large & long guerilla war that will come to be dominated by autonomous stealthy drones. Running conservative numbers, the damages in Russia and Russian held territory could easily be in the neighborhood of half a trillion dollars a year. That’s not including the cost of attempted defense efforts. In a world with depressed oil prices due to Trump’s energy policies, and Europe gradually weaning itself off Russian gas, this is unsustainable for Russia. The only question then is whether there are ~ 3-5 million Ukies willing to commit themselves as did the signers of our US Declaration of Independence, and would Putin commit real genocide to drive them entirely out of Ukraine?


59 posted on 11/12/2024 3:35:09 AM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: marcusmaximus

Waltz “in” at NSA. Very interesting...


60 posted on 11/12/2024 3:35:55 AM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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