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To: SamuraiScot
Globalists and their desire to colonize Ukraine started this war by fomenting an illegal coup in 2014. That setoff a civil war in Ukraine.

Trump will not do the bidding of the globalists and will end the war by cutting off military funding for it.

Ukraine will be forced at that point to cut the best deal it can. That deal will result in the concession of all the territory it lost.

35 posted on 11/01/2024 10:17:08 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan; Robert DeLong; DesertRhino

I’m getting really sick of your alt-history Kremlin kool-aid.

“Globalists and their desire to colonize Ukraine started this war by fomenting an illegal coup in 2014.”

Bull. Russia’s desire to colonize Ukraine predated that by a decade. They tried to assassinate a more pro-western Presidential candidate, invaded then occupied parts of Georgia, and left Ukraine in no doubt that they were going to be next.

Russia also blackmailed most of what used to be the Warsaw Pact, and blackmailed Ukraine, in an attempt to get the west to just stand back and let them do it.

“the loss of Crimea that has been Russian longer than Ohio has been American... OR act.”

Sucks, but Russia’s own leaders are the people who instigated the “loss of Crimea” - starting with the decision made over six decades ago to put Crimea under the jurisdiction of the UkrSSR, then expanded when the Supreme Soviet granted the UkrSSR more autonomy in the 80s. Those changes were in the Soviet age, and were initiated by the Soviets. The entire international community saw Russia, Ukraine, Khazakhstan, Belarus, and every other former member of the USSR, sign it off as THEIR choice, not America’s choice or Schwab’s choice. It’s got nothing to do with frickin’ globalists.

Russia’s known for decades that Ukraine can’t join NATO as long as

1) there is an ongoing dispute between Ukraine and Putin’s Russia that would mean its membership would directly create an Article 5 risk. Despite Putin himself conceding the borders set at the signing of the Belovezha Accords needed to be respected, he and Medvedev are in a Duginist cult that has spent the better part of twenty years bitterly complaining about the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and Moscow ruling over Ukraine directly. They’ve never stopped looking for ways to overturn the immutable historical fact that Russia and Ukraine TOGETHER made those decisions. Blackmail didn’t work, so they resorted to invasion. With Russian boots in Ukraine, NATO membership is impossible.

2) Even just one existing NATO member vetoes their accession. Russia’s known since the 90s that Germany, France, Turkey and at least two other members have gone on the record repeatedly to say, they ain’t going to support Ukrainian membership of the alliance.

3)

“The Uke army we built up was prepping and about to launch it’s final assault on the Donbass.”

Bull. Even Russia’s own observers were telling the Kremlin repeatedly that the violence against civilians in the Donbass had completely fallen off a cliff since 2019. It had gone from hundreds a year, to not even a dozen. In fact, Russia’s own 2021 data from its own observers was so unfavorable to the Russian vranyo that it ended up being obfuscated inside the monthly reports, and never made it into an annual report. Russia always reported those numbers when those numbers worked in its favor, but didn’t when they said this...

https://eng.ombudsman-dnr.ru/the-overview-of-the-current-social-and-humanitarian-situation-in-the-territory-of-the-donetsk-peoples-republic-as-a-result-of-hostilities-between-25-and-30-december-2021/

Quote: “Within the period between 1 January and 30 December 2021, in the territory of the DPR, 7 civilians and 70 servicemen of the Republic died.”

70 Russian tourists getting killed by Ukrainian nazis, and maybe a similar amount in the other direction, were nowhere near enough convincing as a “causus belli” for the Russian invasion if only 7 civilians were killed across the entire Oblast over the course of a whole year. And as this was all happening on Ukrainian soil, and the Russian implants had no right to be there, Putin knew Ukraine had every right to protect its citizens and its territory from implanted Russian mercs.

What really motivated Putin was, Denisov complained that Russia’s proxy fake regime was on the verge of collapse due to sheer unpopularity and apathy, it couldn’t muster enough support to fill a basketball court, and the only thing that was stopping Ukraine regaining control without a bullet being fired would be if Russia mobilised and did a proper invasion.

“Since the Soviet Union no longer exists, NATO should have been dissolved.”

Why? Russia’s still got CSTO, the NATO equivalent on the Russian side. Defense alliances are entirely legit if they’re set up with membership by consent, any country can apply to join, and any member can leave an alliance at any time if they so choose.

CSTO membership doesn’t tick any of those boxes, and it is about as popular as scrofula even in the pro-Russian diaspora because the only country in CSTO that does benefit is Russia. Ask Turkmenistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Recent alliance meetings have seen other member states tear up the paperwork Putin’s putting in front of them.

That’s the real reason Putin wants NATO to expel its ex-Warsaw Pact members. He knows that the real reason NATO membership appeals to the Baltic countries, to Poland and to Ukraine, is because anyone with two brain cells or more can see how the Russian alternatives are runny cat turd sandwiches.

Being in the alliance means you are just a vassal state whose armies can be used by Putin as cannon fodder. Being outside of either alliance makes you an easy target for Russian invasion.

“Which is where the Minsk Accords I & II were brought forth & signed, but were never implemented. “

Russia signed up to one obligation under those agreements - pull its little green men, its military tourists and its implanted gauleiters, out of Ukraine.

Putin managed to implement the precise amount of 0.000000% of the obligations he himself signed up to, after having the Minsk agreements so skewed to his advantage that all of the hard work was on Ukraine’s side. But Ukraine still implemented more of its obligations under Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, than Russia did.


67 posted on 11/02/2024 5:27:18 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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