Ping.
Paul talked about unexplainable beauty, third heaven. Don’t think anyone really knows.
Watch a few NDE videos and you start to wonder about the persistence of selfishness. People cross over and suddenly they couldn’t care less about the bereft loved ones being left behind, they just want to stay and enjoy that glorious afterlife.
I have always wondered how happy one can be in Heaven, when able to see loved ones suffering downstairs.
We don’t get all the answers here, and faith must suffice.
I have always thought that after death, the goings on in this spiritual plane on Earth are simply not worth paying attention to those with God, even out of simple curiosity.
It is like reading an article on the Internet that talks about something as mundane and inconsequential as how to remove pebbles from the tread of the tires on your car. And that extends to everything, even a nuclear war.
Nobody with God cares. They probably figure “They will all understand when they get here, no matter what happened on their physical plane.”
And any soul with God would be viewed as an oddity for even being mildly curious about what goes on here because it is so inconsequential...comparatively speaking.
That is how I see it...:)
Don’t know. I’ve never died.
We are all dead, some of us just don’t know it yet.
When I was in firearms training for my job as correctional officer, I felt one of my uncles who had passed 20 years earlier by my side and helping me through it. I ended up as the top female shooter of the class. I never sensed his present prior to that, nor afterwards. But it was a strong feeling, and I knew exactly who was with me.
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sometimes you have to define the terms before discussion.
some ideas above
but better answers are you own personal reading of God’s word with the help of the Holy Spirit.
I felt my mother’s presence at her funeral when my daughter sang. Hard to describe, but it was something like cool brisk morning air in the mountains.
I told her that Mom approved.
[[Do the departed Christians retain some conscious awareness of the goings-on in creation, on Earth,]]
Some argue that because there is no more cryign and sorrow in heaven, then NO, they do not remember-
Those that go to hell are said to not know what is going on either despite the analogy in the rich man poor man parable “The dead know nothing”
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 5. - For the living know that they shall die. This is added in confirmation of the statement in ver. 4. The living have at least the consciousness that they will soon have to die, and this leads them to work while it is day, to employ their faculties worthily, to make use of opportunities, to enjoy and profit by the present. They have a certain fixed event to which they must look forward; and they have not to stand idle, lamenting their fate, but their duty and their happiness is to accept the inevitable and make the best of it. But the dead know not anything. They are cut off from the active, bustling world; their work is done; they have nothing to expect, nothing to labor for. What passes upon earth affects them not; the knowledge of it reaches them no longer. Aristotle’s idea was that the dead did know something, in a hazy and indistinct way, of what went on in the upper world, and were in some slight degree influenced thereby, but not to such a degree as to change happiness into misery, or vice versa (’Eth. Nicom.,’ 1:10 and 11). Neither have they any more a reward; i.e. no fruit for labor done. There is no question here about future retribution in another world. The gloomy view of the writer at this moment precludes all idea of such an adjustment of anomalies after death. For the memory of them is forgotten. They have not even the poor reward of being remembered by loving posterity, which in the mind of an Oriental was an eminent blessing, to be much desired. There is a paronomasia in zeker, “memory,” and sakar, “reward,” which, as Plumptre suggests, may be approximately represented in English by the words “record” and “reward.”
My belief is that in the presence of their Savior, they wouldn’t care about “worldly things”. When visiting the Sistine Chapel, do you think about the dust on the floor?
So why do our deceased love ones make us aware of their presence? I lost two siblings and each have given me undeniable physical events that they were with me? Each time I have tried to believe they were amazing coincidences but can not understand how.
Nobody knows and that is the way it is suppose to be. It is all speculation derived from one’s interpretation of the Bible.
Regards,
I have a relative who died on the operating room table for two or so minutes. He tells of leaving his body, feeling no pain, seeing himself and everyone in the room, but floating a room away and seeing the people in there. He later told this nurse he saw her in the other room, and not in his room, while he was dead.
This is the sort of thing that puzzles me about complete “inertness” versus at least some consciousness.
In general, I think we awaken on our Judgement Day and all of Mankind hears our sins.
All I know for certain about Heaven is that I’m supposed to meet my Mom at “Steinmart” when I get there.
Past, present and future are all the same, so fretting about someone left behind is meaningless because their hardship is already over.
I wonder if we will be able to see history. I believe we won’t care, but it would be interesting to see who shot JFK and watch election night 2016 in Hillary’s headquarters.
At 62 now, I have been in the presence of dead and dying people several times.
It is obvious that “something” leaves the body. Even when those that are unconscious die, there is a change.
The rational part of me leans to “energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.” The energy that we call life leaves us. I think that this is our consciousness, or our soul. It is what makes us a person, and not a piece of meat.
Now for the seriously woo woo...
I think that God is the source of all consciousness and that - if we have not rejected Him - we rejoin that source when we die. We may perceive this as a “place” which has been called heaven. I think this may be what we, with our limited understanding, call another dimension. In this dimension our current sense of time and space is wiped away.
I plan to haunt anyone who doesn’t love and protect the land that I have loved and protected.