[avital2]

i think it takes a lot of guts for Schoen Penn and Epstein to stand up against the Dem Machine. they aren’t conservatives but more of the now-disappearing true liberal school. the rest of ‘em aren’t libs, but Lefties.

[nathanbedford]

It is easy, on the other hand, for Republicans to go apostate and "stand up against the Dem Machine" perhaps because turncoat Republicans can do their mischief behind a protective media shield.

It is both the weakness and the strength of the Republican party that it has no equivalent power to the "Dem Machine."