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To: ransomnote

So I guess that all modern Ukrainians must be guilty of being Nazis because some collaborated with them 80 years ago. In like manner, all modern Germans must still be Nazis, all modern Frenchmen must be Nazis because of their collaborators during WWII, all modern Russians must be Stalinists, all modern Americans must be pro-slavery racists, etc., etc., etc.

This attempt to paint the Ukrainians as Nazis is just an attempt to dehumanize them and justify Putins actions. In the meantime, those who cry “the Ukrainians are Nazis” are silent as Russia invades Ukraine and bombs its cities, targeting civilians.


8 posted on 09/25/2024 11:42:33 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Correct. Russian chauvinists and their useful fools dehumanize Ukrainians to justify stealing their country and their mass murder if necessary. History shows in fact that such rhetoric is a prototypical “Nazi” tactic and what happens when it is done. It is no different than Marxist Democrats smearing us as a danger to Democracy for supporting President Trump and encouraging his murder. It’s lazy and stupid gaslighting that only the dimmest bulbs are duped by.


13 posted on 09/25/2024 11:54:01 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Petrosius; ransomnote

Take comfort in your belief that It’s OK if your side does it, but it’s not OK if the other side does it.


14 posted on 09/25/2024 11:55:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Petrosius

 

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't, Petrosius wrote:

So I guess that all modern Ukrainians must be guilty of being Nazis because some collaborated with them 80 years ago. In like manner, all modern Germans must still be Nazis, all modern Frenchmen must be Nazis because of their collaborators during WWII, all modern Russians must be Stalinists, all modern Americans must be pro-slavery racists, etc., etc., etc.

This attempt to paint the Ukrainians as Nazis is just an attempt to dehumanize them and justify Putins actions. In the meantime, those who cry “the Ukrainians are Nazis” are silent as Russia invades Ukraine and bombs its cities, targeting civilians.

I've never seen any assertion that all Ukrainians are Nazi's. Certainly, I've never said all Ukrainians are Nazi's. I have seen Ukrainian war advocates on FR post that 'the only good Russian is a dead Russian' and that 'Russians are sub human.'

From the start I posted that the citizens are in need, but their government will take the money and never use to to help them.

I've written repeatedly about the forgotten Ukrainian citizens in the crossfire, how many have undured such hardships (conscription, deprivation, refugees). I wrote about conscription teams waiting in bomb shelters to seize men escaping their homes to supposed 'safety'. I've written about the government conscripting men and boys from 16 to 70 (and the older men are sometimes disabled - it doesn't matter to the gov).

I specified Azov's and provided media photos of Nazi supporters - that's not 'everyone'. I've advocated for Ukrainian soldiers - how their lives are being wasted, how they will likely be prevented from surrendering in Kursk because NATO/Zelensky don't care about them. I've written about the organ harvesting of untreated wounded soldiers etc. I've posted several times about the child trafficking and organ harvesting in the Ukraine; those posts are in defense of the Ukrainian citizens and children upon whom monsters prey.

I don't believe Russia targets civilians. I believe civilians are caught in the crossfire, as is true in all such conflicts.

 


20 posted on 09/25/2024 12:15:42 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Petrosius

“This attempt to paint the Ukrainians as Nazis is just an attempt to dehumanize them and justify Putins actions.”

No it isn’t. It is an attempt to prove we have absolutely no just reason to be involved at all or support EITHER side.

There is a huge difference. Not wanting to be there at all is not supporting Putin. It is voting for “none of the above”.

Why should we be pressured into supporting one team or the other by biased peers when we don’t even like the sport in the first place?

BOTH sides are wrong...


24 posted on 09/25/2024 12:40:22 PM PDT by Openurmind
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