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Cheaper, Greener: Manganese-Based Li-Ion Batteries Set To Transform EVs
Scitech Daily ^ | August 26, 2024 | Yokohama National University

Posted on 08/26/2024 6:24:05 PM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 08/26/2024 6:24:05 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

And a third of the world manganese comes from South Africa. Might be good to know a guy from there...


2 posted on 08/26/2024 6:34:23 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Red Badger

The headline says “set to transform.” By the first paragraph that pronouncement has devolved to “could lead to.” Typical overhype. So predictable. Wake me up when the first article to include one of these things appears: $.

Without a verifiable cost analysis, it might as we be a politician’s promise.


3 posted on 08/26/2024 6:36:44 PM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: Red Badger

The GGE of gasoline is about 114,00 BTU’s.
The GGE of electricity is 3,400 BTU’s.


4 posted on 08/26/2024 6:37:48 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: bigbob

Bigger question; it there enough manganese anywhere on the planet to make this useful, or is this a specialty solution?


5 posted on 08/26/2024 6:39:17 PM PDT by Bernard (I just clicked over another tag line, Time to run without for a while.)
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Researchers have developed a sustainable …
Stopped reading at that word.
6 posted on 08/26/2024 6:43:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Red Badger

But but...just four days ago we were told silver prices were going to skyrocket because of Samsungs new SS car battery.


7 posted on 08/26/2024 6:57:03 PM PDT by DAC21
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Competition is fierce in the battery research sector because of EVs.

Billions of dollars are at stake for the winner.................


8 posted on 08/26/2024 6:59:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Bernard

Manganese is the tenth most common element in the earth’s crust.


9 posted on 08/26/2024 7:02:43 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Red Badger
I'm still trying to get my head around LiFePO4.

10 posted on 08/26/2024 7:40:51 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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lithium iron phosphate ................


11 posted on 08/26/2024 7:42:31 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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Makes great powersports starting batteries. Durable and far less fire danger from impact. Also more tolerant of over discharge.


12 posted on 08/26/2024 7:50:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: Red Badger

i lost count of the “coulds” in the article ...


13 posted on 08/26/2024 7:56:04 PM PDT by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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I have looked under the hoods of some new cars lately and their batteries are way smaller than they used to be...I wonder if the mfrs are using these new batteries instead of lead acid?.........


14 posted on 08/26/2024 7:57:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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Wow it's been a while since High School chemistry.

My mind was confused between Manganese and Magnesium. Having seen the results of both a Li-ion battery fire and a magnesium fire, my first thought was if you mixed the two you could have the most devastating fire imaginable!

But it's manganese, not magnesium, I reasoned. False alarm, says I.

But wait --- it turns out manganese can be extremely flammable, too!

Still, I'm no chemist. It could be inert and safe, far as I know.

15 posted on 08/26/2024 8:13:42 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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...in ten years, right??


16 posted on 08/26/2024 8:13:50 PM PDT by Dr. Zzyzx
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From BRAVE AI:

Manganese can be extremely flammable,

Based on the search results, manganese dust (finely divided) has been known to be pyrophoric, meaning it can spontaneously ignite in air. Additionally, manganese compounds and fumes can react violently or explosively on contact with water, generating hydrogen gas, an extremely dangerous explosion hazard.

Firefighting Considerations

When fighting fires involving manganese, it is crucial to avoid using water, as it can exacerbate the situation by generating hydrogen gas. Instead, use dry sand, graphite powder, dry sodium chloride-based extinguishers, or class D extinguishers. Confining and smothering metal fires is preferable rather than applying water. If possible, move undamaged containers away from the area around the fire to prevent further ignition sources.

Handling and Storage

To minimize the risk of manganese fires, it is essential to handle and store manganese-containing materials in a well-ventilated area, away from heat sources and ignition sparks. Ensure that containers are tightly sealed and not damaged, and consider implementing explosion-proof equipment and ventilation systems.

Personal Protective Equipment

While there are no specific recommendations for personal protective equipment (PPE) for manganese exposure, it is still important to follow standard safety protocols when handling manganese-containing materials, including wearing protective clothing, gloves, and eye protection as needed.


17 posted on 08/26/2024 8:16:16 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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I can’t help but think that looks like a big frying pan.


18 posted on 08/27/2024 12:06:46 AM PDT by spincaster
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To: Olog-hai

It’s only a bad word because of how it’s often been used. However, it does have meaning still.

For example, the current growth of US debt is not sustainable.


19 posted on 08/27/2024 4:55:08 AM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

Battery technology is under very heavy development.

They have come a very long way. We don’t see many electric golf carts these days. They are all battery.

Electric cars have a long way to go. But they will get there. When they get there, we will probably like it.

Plenty of stuff to go around. Perhaps they need to mine an asteroid or two.

Never thought we would see rockets that could land themselves. Elon has done wonders for the rocket industry.

Hopefully Boeing gets it together. We need 3-5 rocket companies not one.

look at how far cell phones have come. Each new phone as been far superior to the last. There was a reason that there were lines around the block every time a new Apple iPhone came out... and it wasn’t because they were ‘slowing the phones’. It because the new phones were that much better.

There are very smart people working on about 10,000 different ways to make batteries better. We still have to build in the infrastructure. We have to get enough power to power all these devices. We have to get the infrastructure in place to deliver all that power. When it gets there, it will be awesome. Then I might finally get one.


20 posted on 08/27/2024 5:48:42 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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