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To: WildHighlander57; rodguy911; Steve Van Doorn

“Though when he was witnessing the shooter aiming his weapon at Trump.”

That isnt something that is able to be ascertained from a distance unless the person with the rifle is aiming in an entirely different direction then we wouldnt be having this conversation.

Its not a TV show where the bad guy is 6 feet away and we can all see who is pointing what at who.

The countersniper on the barn knows that there is SUPPOSED TO BE an armed friendly from another organization on that roof.

A qualified sniper with proper equipment is engaging people at distance or they wouldnt be of much value. A countersniper on that roof, had the shooter been one, would have had to point in a direction that seemed to be to someone on the barn as being “at Trump” to engage any target to the south.

Despite what Ive seen claimed on this forum, 130, 150, or 200 yards is not far nor is it a difficult shot for anyone with a passing familiarity with firearms. A professional with proper equipment is for use in situations where the target is multiple hundreds of yards away. A Canadian in 2017 engaged a target at 3,871 yards and supposedly a Ukranian recently hit a target at 4,156.

This isnt a battlefield, lets assume that the sniper is under orders to be much more careful. We dont know what orders they had. To get an idea of what we are really talking about lets say that they are restricted to credible targets at up to 1,000 yards so that we can visualize what that looks like.

If you were a countersniper laying in the same position as the shooter then you would have to aim in a direction that from a distance would look like you are aiming at Trump to engage not just the people at the assembly but past the assembly. Into the west end of the neighborhood to the south, not just the first street but potentially to the most far north western houses on the second street.

You would also be watching all of the rest of the property across the pond and over that whole little village of storage sheds all the way out to the test plots to the south .

This would be almost over to Hindman Trucking across the runway west and still be shooting in a direction that from the barn looked like you were shooting at Trump.

“That would still be too far, thats irresponsible.”

Ok, cut it in half. Now we are back down to 500 yard and this still covers threats that could be in those directions and has not been identified by the team on the barn. Just as the team on the barn is not at a high enough elevation to see around the curvature of the shooters barn to the north, they would not be able to see a threat on the far western slopes of the barns across the pond.

That doesnt meet anything similar to legal defensive action for a civilian and certainly isnt going to cover a professional shooting a friendly in a position where it is known that one is supposed to be.

This is why there is only one person and one department in charge even when there are multiple organizations involved. All information goes one place so that everyone knows what everyone else is doing and no conflicting orders are given.

The failure had nothing to do with any of the personnel on the ground providing services. No, not even the little fill-in bodyguard people are picking on for not having a strong enough scrunchy (because a stronger scrunchy would have avoided this apparently).

The point of failure is somewhere between the on-site supervisor of this detail and Bidens handlers.


730 posted on 07/16/2024 10:33:38 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hivemind liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives select servants.)
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To: gnarledmaw
The failure had nothing to do with any of the personnel on the ground providing services.

Have another drink. These weren't high school kids or even boots. Alleged TRAINED pros, they porked it up.

798 posted on 07/16/2024 12:20:40 PM PDT by xone ( )
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To: gnarledmaw
said, " that is able to be ascertained from a distance unless the person with the rifle is aiming in an entirely different direction"

It was about 20 or 25 deg off from the USSS counter snipers. That is enough to know there is a rifle pointing at the target or at least at people in the audience.

said, "The countersniper on the barn knows that there is SUPPOSED TO BE an armed friendly from another organization on that roof"

wait a second here. Are you suggesting maybe a police swat team is on the other roof and the USSS counter snipers where not informed? many reasons that isn't the case. Snipers go in twos. If that is the case then at the VERY least they should've rushed Trump out. If they didn't know the threat then they need to end the event.

To be honest I don't understand the logic of your argument.
said, "The point of failure is somewhere between the on-site supervisor of this detail and Bidens handlers."

A civilian could've taken that shot without any permission from anyone from the USSS counter snipers position. They needed no permission to defend another. Though a civilian wouldn't know who are part of Trumps security. IF the USSS counter snipers didn't know other snipers of Trump security then the event should've been scrubbed.
802 posted on 07/16/2024 12:30:35 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: gnarledmaw

I should add. The ONLY way to redeem the USSS counter snipers for not acting. If someone in the chain told them the shooter on the other roof was a police sniper or something. Flat out lied to them.


807 posted on 07/16/2024 12:36:54 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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