James Webb Space Telescope Captures Images of Rare Phenomenon Long Anticipated By Astronomers

The Debrief ^ | June 24, 2024 | Micah Hanks

[fso301]

Don’t need to compare. Do you think a species that routinely murders each other, can’t cure common diseases that have been with us thousands of years, and can’t even put a person on our closest planet are advanced? Really?

Someone has to be the most advanced. Why can't it be us?

Your faith isn't allowing you to consider the possibility that we are the most advanced carbon based life form out there.

[dragnet2]

No offense met, but you’re one of those arrogant humans who apparently believes out of multiple trillions of planets in the universe, we happen to be on THE most advanced and most civilized of them all. And that’s fine for you to believe that.

But to me it just screams arrogance from those with narrow minds.

Don’t get me wrong, if there were only 50 planets in the universe that would be more plausible for me. But with trillions in play? That’s a game changer in my humble opinion.

[fso301]

No offense met, but you’re one of those arrogant humans who apparently believes out of multiple trillions of planets in the universe, we happen to be on THE most advanced and most civilized of them all. And that’s fine for you to believe that. But to me it just screams arrogance from those with narrow minds.

I understand but suspect your faith is unquestioned and follows along the lines of political scientists Carl Sagan and his ilk spewing billions and billions as being equally likely.

Have you considered the reasons why a sun like ours is generally believed necessary for life as we know it?

Have you considered that at best, the category of star our sun belongs to (G2V) comprises at most 7-8 percent of the total stars? Yes, that still leaves a large number out there in a universe 14 billion years old but have you considered that the universe's original stars have already gone out and that the next oldest generation of stars (Population II) do not have the metallicity to emit the type particles a planet like earth can form from? Therefore, older isn't better and the older generation of stars have to be eliminated from consideration.

Have you considered that within a galaxy there is what is believed to be a habitable zone? Meaning the remainder and all of its billions and billions is likely inhabitable?

I can keep going with these reducing factors Carl Sagan and others like him knew/know about but refused/refuse to publicly acknowledge.

Don’t get me wrong, if there were only 50 planets in the universe that would be more plausible for me. But with trillions in play? That’s a game changer in my humble opinion.

I don't question that the absolute number of stars out there isn't huge... mind bogglingly huge. I just don't place blind faith in the political science spewed by the assorted Carl Sagan types.

For reasons I touched on, I believe the number planets out there that are capable of supporting life as we know it is a far smaller number.

And we haven't addressed the unknown answer to the question of how life first formed on a sterile, earth-like planet?

Given conditions believed to exist on a sterile early earth, how did life first form? Nobody can answer that which again further points to the rareness of life as we know it.

We may be more advanced than you care to admit.

[dragnet2]

My faith has zip to do with it.

Have you considered the reasons why a sun like ours is generally believed necessary for life as we know it?

Life as humans know it...There you go. And there are tens of billions of stars similar to ours.☺

[dragnet2]

Have you considered that within a galaxy there is what is believed to be a habitable zone?

All that was coined and theorized by humans who don't know zip.

[fso301]

All that was coined and theorized by humans who don't know zip.

And you know more?

[dragnet2]

Are you kidding? I’m human!

[fso301]

My faith has zip to do with it.

Then why do you appear so unwilling to consider anything less than the absolute numbers presented by the assorted Carl Sagans?

Life as humans know it...There you go.

Yes because scientists wouldn't know how to begin characterizing, much less searching for say gaseous nitrogen based life.

And there are tens of billions of stars similar to ours.☺

And when conditions have probabilities and multiple conditions must occur for something to happen, the individual probabilities are multiplied resulting in very, very small numbers. Billions and billions can become single digits very quickly. But Carl Sagan didn't mention that.

[dragnet2]

No, I have always said, if we’re alone in the entire universe and there are no life forms, microbial, advanced, whatever, it would be far more bizarre and harder to believe than if the universe were teaming with life forms. I never ever said there was no chance of that scenario.

Before making implications, you should ask first.

[dragnet2]

And when conditions have probabilities and multiple conditions must

And again, these are conditions set by primitive humans to fit their narrative of what conditions must be met for life to exist.

[fso301]

Before making implications, you should ask first.

Sorry, when in post 9 you wrote

Btw, on another note, I won’t be surprised if life in some form is discovered to exist outside earth within the next 10 years.

I took that as meaning you believed extra-terrestrial life to be quite common. Of course, scientists have been making even more aggressive predictions for as long as I can remember. All have proven wrong.

A little later in post 18 you wrote

Man is primitive.

I took that and post 9 combined as meaning you believe in a Star Trek type universe populated by civilizations much more advanced than ours.

[dragnet2]

I have no idea if it’s common. You need to read the words closer. That comment didn’t imply anything except I would not be surprised if a discovery was made in the future. See, unlike you I am not narrow minded and do not subscribe to what all these human, “Experts” say.

[dragnet2]

Btw, you keep bringing up Carl Sagan and now Star Trek. I’m not a tv guy, just so you understand.☺

[dragnet2]

And instead of assuming and trying to box me into something that fits what you believe, just ask me.

[dragnet2]

That’s all fine but when will we see pictures of the exoplanets showing evidence of life that we were promised

And by the way, going back to your original statement, could I see a direct link to those scientific sources, scientific publications, and SETI, as you mentioned, showing they promised they would provide evidence of life outside earth.

Thanks

[fso301]

And by the way, going back to your original statement, could I see a direct link to those scientific sources, scientific publications, and SETI, as you mentioned, showing they promised they would provide evidence of life outside earth.

Sure! For starters, go back and read my post #7 where I cited NASA's own webpage:

"Data from JWST will be used to study the formation and evolution of habitable worlds, and will be invaluable in understanding processes that have shaped habitability in our own Solar System. JWST is capable of making detailed observations that might allow astrobiologists to identify signatures of life on Earth-like planets beyond our Solar System."

https://web.archive.org/web/20160703200716/https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/missions/jwst/

Here's a SETI promise from 2002:

SETI: We'll Find 'Alien' by 2027

An astronomer with the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute says new technologies will help locate an extra-terrestrial in the next 25 years.

https://www.wired.com/2002/07/seti-well-find-alien-by-2027/

Carl Sagan in 1997 writing in Scientific American:

There can be little doubt that civilizations more advanced than the earth's exist elsewhere in the universe. The probabilities involved in locating one of them call for a substantial effort.

href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-search-for-extraterre/

From 2010 Space.com intverview with Dr.Steven Vogt, professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the University of California :

Odds of Life on Newfound Earth-Size Planet '100 Percent,' Astronomer Says

https://www.space.com/9225-odds-life-newfound-earth-size-planet-100-percent-astronomer.html

[dragnet2]

There can be little doubt that civilizations more advanced than the earth's exist elsewhere in the universe.

Odds of Life on Newfound Earth-Size Planet '100 Percent,' Astronomer Says

Astronomer says? Odds are? Little doubt? C'mon..

Where is the *promise* those, "Scientific sources, scientific publications, and SETI" as you stated, *promising* they would find evidence of life outside earth?

You seem to have a real problem with the meaning of words

How about something credible, like a statement from JPL, NASA, or from those who designed and operate JWST?

Take your time.

[dragnet2]

The James Webb Space Telescope has four key goals:

To search for light from the first stars and galaxies that formed in the universe after the Big Bang

To study galaxy formation and evolution

To understand star formation and planet formation

To study planetary systems and the origins of life

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Where do they promise to find evidence of life outside earth?

[dragnet2]

That’s all fine but when will we see pictures of the exoplanets showing evidence of life that we were promised

The difference between you and I it seems is your mind is made up. Mine is not. I will admit you could be right and we could be all alone in the entire universe. Not so much as a microorganism anywhere else.

Now will you admit the possibility life exists outside earth?

[fso301]

The James Webb Space Telescope has four key goals:To search for light from the first stars and galaxies that formed in the universe after the Big Bang To study galaxy formation and evolution To understand star formation and planet formation To study planetary systems and the origins of life

LOL! You asked for the promises and I gave them to you. I have no idea from where you got the above and don't care since it is probably from a current NASA webpage.

I gave you what you requested which were promises being made by NASA back before Webb was launched and in danger of being cancelled. You obviously didn't like what you read and all you can do is try to divert.