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Why is NATO expanding its nuclear force?
Asia Times ^ | 6/18/24 | Steven Bryen

Posted on 06/18/2024 4:34:08 PM PDT by hardspunned

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To: Kazan

I’m old enough to remember when our “leaders” thought we could win WWIII and planned to do so. Then the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred. After being so close to Armageddon, “winning” WWIII became the subject of dark comedies. Now we are back to 1960 with a war room being led by a bunch of Buck Turgidsons.


61 posted on 06/19/2024 4:53:57 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Widget Jr

Did you read Putin’s Speech before the Zelinski photo op over the weekend? Didn’t you listen to what Blinken said when questioned by reporters a few months ago. Of course you not. Zeepers are intellectually lazy and rely on the propoganda from CNN, MSMBC, etc. Normal Freepers learned years ago to look for news sources beyond the US Media, which is controlled by the DNC-CIA Nexus. Do your own research. Stop acting suprised when someone challenges your worldview. I do understand mind. The truth is out there.

I stand by the words and their intent as stated and my reputation of being on FR over 25 years.

Take some time to find the text of the Putin statement. Then think about what Zelinski/Ukraine and Washington/France/Britan/Poland says... the operative word being think. Do you normally believe the US news sources when they support the democrats against their republicans, or vice versa - that’s a trap.

Read the diplomatic dispatches form both two sides before dismissing America’s opposition.

For over two years you have been lied and misled by the US and Ukriane. Going back to 2014 and Biden’s famous dismissal of the Brismisma prosecuter over 1B USD should have tweeked your intellect. This is the DNC war. This is a globalist war. This is a LGBT war. This war is over politicians not being held accountable by their own countries laws for corruption.

Seek you are you find the answers. Lavrov speaks nearly every day for US consumption. Get outside the US firewall and actually read what your enemies are reading - then decide, but not before.


62 posted on 06/19/2024 5:39:53 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Kazan

There was never a time when it wasn’t known that NATO’s purpose was to defend against Russia and once Russia’s massive empire largely collapsed the core of that evil empire never changed into something it had never been and the threat still remained and remains Russia, the empire building invader of this biggest European War since WWII.


63 posted on 06/19/2024 5:42:39 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: GreyFriar

Non NATO countries who have produced nuclear weapons may include: Israel, S.Korea, Taiwan, S.Africa cira 1977/78; Iran 2024, Japan/Germany/Italy, and those who are known are Pakistan, China, India, Russia....

The way to know if a country has nukes for sure if they cannot stand up to those aligned against them, and the wars have turned into words.


64 posted on 06/19/2024 5:43:54 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Widget Jr

The claim was Nuclear Capable Missiles. They said they would put the same ones in Poland into Ukraine. Those are dual use weapons systems. Reading isn’t a strong suite these days, nor comprehension.


65 posted on 06/19/2024 5:57:58 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: wildcard_redneck

Guess again.

Blaming NATO encroachment over climate scam oil prices fueling the commie KGB stooge’s aggression is leftist garbage.

It hides that they went with a hoax over potential WWIII and nukes suddenly being in the conversation again.


66 posted on 06/19/2024 10:10:26 AM PDT by Freest Republican (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by imbeciles)
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To: Freest Republican
Just accept that the Forever War is profitable to the reptilian parasites on top and disastrous for everyone else. Go volunteer, oh mighty armchair-warrior!
67 posted on 06/19/2024 10:20:17 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Reverend Wright

China is 1189 days late on the annexation of Taiwan.

Did they just forget?

or is this yet another case of mighty, superior Russia still in Ukraine 2 1/2 yrs later volume Asia? or the neocon case over and over again?

US manufacturing levels are at 20yrs post WWII currently.

Are you a war mongering neocon? How is it that you’re constantly making their case? from Iran and the beware of the Houthis to mighty Russia including even mightier and superior China is the textbook neocon case.


68 posted on 06/19/2024 10:20:35 AM PDT by Freest Republican (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by imbeciles)
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To: Widget Jr
"No one forced those countries to join NATO. Russia was the reason why those countries wanted to join NATO. NATO members are free to leave if they choose, such as when France left NATO in 1966."

I am certain that a lot of the Eastern European countries were jonesing to march east with NATO for the spoils but that doesn't seem to be working out well. The front marches west.

69 posted on 06/19/2024 10:25:31 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Kazan

“Our actions and NATOs in Ukraine made them our enemy”

“Buried within the U.S. intelligence community’s report on Russian activities in the presidential election is clear evidence that the Kremlin is financing and choreographing anti-fracking propaganda in the United States. By targeting fracking, Putin hopes to increase oil and gas prices, destabilize the U.S. economy and threaten America’s energy independence.”

Putin doesn’t have to be our enemy! He as recently as 7yrs ago sought to threaten our energy independence to destabilize our economy besides meddling in our affairs for over 100yrs.

I’ve only posted this 100 times and will 10000times if necessary.

Likewise, Putin is borrowing at 17%4 now with the ruble down 45% but the dollar is in danger!

You can still log on to forex with a credit card and buy rubles since mighty Russia and China are so fearsome!!! But you won’t because yo9u have zero conviction in these nonsensical opinions.


70 posted on 06/19/2024 10:38:15 AM PDT by Freest Republican (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by imbeciles)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Just accept that commie KGB stooges are going to invade as soon as they have enough revenue to pay for it.

Oh the warmongers are profiting? No invasion, no profits.

and Americans such as yourself will gleefully blame anything and everything but the commie KGB stooge.

given that I’ve poste3d flooding the world with oil is the best way for us to aid Ukraine for 2 1/2 years.

perhaps you should enlist in defense of victim Vlad.


71 posted on 06/19/2024 10:45:12 AM PDT by Freest Republican (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by imbeciles)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Oops I forgot!

No need to enlist!

You can join the commies, Marxists, islamists and their sympathizers destroying the nation in HD right here.

The kill all jews folks are in part being led around by longtime, well known commies. I’m sure that the second largest commie nation on earth has nothing to do with any of it. Vlad is a victim!


72 posted on 06/19/2024 10:50:36 AM PDT by Freest Republican (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by imbeciles)
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To: Freest Republican

The Democratic Socialists of America

“On Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine
The Democratic Socialists of America condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and demands immediate diplomacy and de-escalation to resolve this crisis. We stand in solidarity with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia who will undoubtedly bear the brunt of this war, and with antiwar protestors in both countries and around the world who are calling for a diplomatic resolution.
(snip)
DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict.
(snip)
While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war.”


73 posted on 06/19/2024 11:35:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Freest Republican
"You can join the commies, Marxists, islamists and their sympathizers destroying the nation in HD right here."

You neocons comment like you have rabies. You sit there at your keyboard thumping your scrawny chests with your tiny hands while I laugh at you.

74 posted on 06/19/2024 12:10:24 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Freest Republican

I refuse to get behind a war 5000 miles away overseas so that your heroes the Biden’s can have a perverts’ paradise and cash cow for kickbacks in the Ukraine. You are not in the side of angels here. Your rhetoric is both demonic and demented.


75 posted on 06/19/2024 12:13:01 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Reverend Wright; Freest Republican; All

The Globohomo Empire seems to have missed the fact that America under their misrule is no longer an “arsenal of democracy” when it is a mere service economy that cannot produce steel. America can no longer fight a peer enemy because leftists have rendered us weak, corrupt and toothless.


76 posted on 06/19/2024 12:19:01 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: wildcard_redneck; All

” The Globohomo Empire seems to have missed the fact that America under their misrule is no longer an “arsenal of democracy” when it is a mere service economy that cannot produce steel. “


The US Prime Contractors are now dependent on Chinese parts to build US military equipment.

As my brother observed yesterday, “China is now the arsenal of democracy”.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2024/01/09/americas-carriers-rely-on-chinese-chips-our-depleted-munitions-too/


77 posted on 06/19/2024 12:25:28 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Your posts #40 and #69 to me are identical.
There is no need on this thread to post the same comment twice.
Posting false statements repeatedly will not make them true.
78 posted on 06/19/2024 3:36:33 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 🛇 CCCP 2.0 🛇)
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To: Widget Jr

My bad. Same comment because sometimes I step away from a comment to research something and when I come back it might still be sitting there waiting to submit.


79 posted on 06/19/2024 4:04:53 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

OK, thank you for clarifying. I’ve done the same.


80 posted on 06/19/2024 8:14:20 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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