Discussion does not entail rape/incest, as I stated in the beginning.
Bringing in trafficked women: thats rape.
Yes, a man has to support the child, never said he didnt. But he does not owe anything to the woman who had consensual sex and KNEW SHE would bear more of the consequences of her actions. Makes HER the biggest loser....she will make less money and possibly her child will be raised in poverty; it will be difficult for HER to find a marriage partner in the future. She will typically have less of a support system than a wife with husbands family to lean on.
There’s no way a man is going to suffer the same consequences as the woman. It’s a fact that does not change under ‘free sex’ circumstances. And the only people who can change that are WOMEN individually and as a group.
Women have always been the arbiters of what is correct in society...and when they decide to play in the dirt, all of society - particularly the children - suffer.
Women still are the losers.
More blame shifting.
If there's one thing men excel at, it's blame shifting for moral failure.
Man was created to be the head of the family and the provider and protector. When he abdicates that responsibility, it is then thrust onto women, where it does NOT belong.
It's laziness on a man's part.
That's the other debate that I said you and I would probably agree on, which we do.
Bringing in trafficked women: thats rape.
It's also a billion dollar industry that caters mostly to you know who.
Women still are the losers.
You seem to be changing your point from "It is all on women" to "women are the losers".
That's not always true either. A woman can get pregnant without the man's verbal consent, although I would say he consented by ramming it into her, then the male judge falls all over himself awarding the woman as much he can in order to score point with whomever he wants to ram it into. I've seen this happen for decades, and men refuse to learn from it. That's why I have so little sympathy for men.
But getting back to the issue at hand, there is a famous actress/comedienne who admits to having had four abortions. If a man screws her knowing that she'll abort any baby that is conceived, then he is at least at fault for contributing to that situation.