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To: Kazan; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...

Ukraine ping

Kazan: [What a load of crap. The Russians are rooting Ukraine out of positions that had been heavily fortified for years.

Ukraine isn’t getting an inch of territory back that the Russians control. Ukraine is losing ground DAILY that it will never get back. If you want to dispute, put up or shut up and bet me on that. $500 to a future freep-a-thon.]


The Maginot Line is a far more complex, expensive, robust and visually-impressive fortification than whatever hillbilly defenses Ukraine managed to put up on the fly in this war. France’s rapid collapse in the face of German attack is testament to the fact that in war, physical factors are important, but morale cannot be overlooked. And it is morale that kept Ukraine in the fight despite the large Russian advantage in equipment and manpower.

For reference, the Taliban at its peak had maybe 50K part-time fighters. Its equipment consisted of rifles, RPGs and mortars with a maximum range of less than 5 miles. The US spent $50b a year there, between supplying the Afghan government and providing fire support through howitzers and strike fighters.

Russia has about 500K troops in Ukraine. Its ranged weapons includes ballistic and cruise missiles, howitzers and strike fighters. It outranges the Taliban 100x. Yet Ukraine is somehow stalemating this Russian force 10x the size of the Taliban, that outranges the Taliban by two orders of magnitude, without direct US participation, using the same $50b a year.

This astounding disparity in results is why so many of Ukraine’s backers remain supportive. It shouldn’t be possible. And yet Ukraine remains standing, bloodied but unbowed.


8 posted on 04/22/2024 10:03:00 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei
And yet Ukraine remains standing, bloodied but unbowed.

You didn't address my point (or accept the bet I proposed) -- that Ukraine will never, ever get back the territory Russia controls and that Ukraine can only continue to lose territory the longer the war continues.

Thus, continuing funding this war is solely about Congress feeding the defense laundering taxpayer money and to delay Ukraine's surrender or collapse until after the 2024 election.

20 posted on 04/23/2024 9:56:43 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Zhang Fei
Russia has about 500K troops in Ukraine. Its ranged weapons includes ballistic and cruise missiles, howitzers and strike fighters. It outranges the Taliban 100x. Yet Ukraine is somehow stalemating this Russian force 10x the size of the Taliban

You full of it. There is NO STALEMATE. Russian is feeding the Ukrainian troops into its meat grinder, rooting out entrenched Ukrainian fortifications that have existed for a decade and GAINING DAILY. All this and Russia isn't a major offensive. The vast majority of the Russians forces in Ukraine are waiting in reserve and aren't on the battlefield.

You're spewing Baghdad-Bob level propaganda.

21 posted on 04/23/2024 10:00:44 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Zhang Fei
Russia has about 500K troops in Ukraine. Its ranged weapons includes ballistic and cruise missiles, howitzers and strike fighters. It outranges the Taliban 100x. Yet Ukraine is somehow stalemating this Russian force 10x the size of the Taliban

If there is a stalemate in Ukraine, genius, why is the BBC, an obviously biased, pro-Ukrainian source, post articles like this:

Ukraine aid package could help Kyiv slow Russia’s advance

Russia advancing, you ridiculous Zeeper, is NOT AN EXAMPLE OF A STALEMATE.

All we're doing by continuing this war is sending tens of thousand more Ukrainians to their deaths. THERE BLOOD IS ON THE HANDS OF THOSE THE VOTED FOR MORE AID FOR THIS DISASTEROUS PROXY WAR as well as people like you that support the legislation. And, if God is anything furious about that, you're mistaken.

22 posted on 04/23/2024 10:06:47 AM PDT by Kazan
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“ This astounding disparity in results is why so many of Ukraine’s backers remain supportive. It shouldn’t be possible. And yet Ukraine remains standing, bloodied but unbowed”
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Tis but a mere flesh wound. Time yet to draft ZEEPERS?


36 posted on 04/24/2024 2:05:59 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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