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To: exDemMom
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Virus Prophylaxis and Treatment, exDemMom wrote:

I highly recommend that if you happen to catch Covid, avoid this unscientific and untested "protocol."

Of course you would recommend against the protoccol so many successfully used throughout Covid, and of course you would lie and say it was 'unscientific and untested'. Search the web for a few seconds and learn that Querciten and Zinc work together quite well and have properties beneficial to many forms of illness. Here's one of the studies re Zinc/Quercetin and Vitamin C

Adv Virol. 2022; 2022: 1575605.
Published online 2022 Jun 8. doi: 10.1155/2022/1575605
PMCID: PMC9200564

PMID: 35721668

The Anti-Cytokine Storm Activity of Quercetin Zinc and Vitamin C Complex

Of course, Dr. Z was able to claim that he only saw one death among 7,000 patients. That's because the patients following his "protocol" whose illness got worse ended up in the hospital and were no longer his patients.

You just flat made that up. You, an anonymous source just made up lies against a man who saved lives and put his face/name/reputation next to his recommendations. But back-biters like you are plentiful, and never put your name and credentials next to your 'recommendations' and lies.

There are only two ways to prevent catching a viral disease. One way is to completely avoid exposure. If the virus spreads through the respiratory route, the only surefire way to avoid exposure is to stay indoors where all the air is filtered.

You're not even trying. Who said 'all the indoor air is filtered'? No one. Indoor air is often inferior to outdoor air because indoors, chemicals used in manufacturing and cleaning, in addition to viruses and bacteria in/on other people and the items they bring into the home, are all concentrated and breathed, and rebreathed. That's why radon is worse indoors than outdoors - it's trapped.

The other way is to get vaccinated. This way depends on how well your immune system functions (if you have a disease that impairs immune function, you won't be as protected), but it gives you a great deal of freedom as compared to remaining in isolation.

We all watched the vaccinated get Covid again and again and again - you're one of the few who are still trying to claim the 'vaccine' will prevent infection.

Quercetin and (hydroxy)chloroquine are not interchangeable. They each interact with different proteins in the body and they have different structures:

Structure of (H)Cl. The addition of oxygen on the end (the "hydroxy" addition) makes the molecule more water soluble.

Structure of quercetin.

They simply are not the same or even similar.

They don't need to be the same or even similar. Quercetin and Zinc work together well to mitigate Cytokine storm and other aspects of illness, and improve absorption of Zinc.

From the article, "Quercetin, like HCQ, is a zinc ionophore which allows a rapid increase in intracellular zinc levels. "

The graphic claims that zinc cannot get into cells. This is completely untrue.

SOME zinc is not absorbed by SOME cells, and Quercetin helps. So to improve Zinc uptake, some people take Quercetin. For those taking supplements, the advice is usually to take Zinc supplements with food to improve absorption.

There is an entire class of proteins called "zinc finger proteins" that interact with DNA. How would those proteins exist if zinc does not enter cells? In the real world, where scientists live, any substance that increases the uptake of zinc into cells would be a serious toxicity concern. No scientist would make such a recommendation without a serious body of evidence to support it.

Drama much? Taking Zinc supplements with food improves absorption, and scientists have yet to panic.

As for antiviral properties of quercetin plus vitamin C, I found this one paper: Quercetin and Vitamin C: An Experimental, Synergistic Therapy for the Prevention and Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Related Disease (COVID-19). (www.pubmed.gov search conducting using term "quercetin AND vitamin c viral.")

You didn't look much - just a glance and you found one paper?

Judging by the fact that this paper is only a review--meaning that its purpose is to summarize a body of research on the subject--and there are no follow-on study publications, I surmise two things. One, that this review was written in conjunction with a research grant application for pre-clinical studies. Two, that in vitro and in vivo (animal) studies did not pan out.

ALL OF THE ANIMAL STUDIES OF THE mRNA platform 'didn't pan out' because the animals sickened/died. mRNA never protected a single human from illness in the run up to the plandemic because mRNA 'vaccines' were a) gene therapy and b) never made it past animal trials to be tested on humans.

I would never suggest a human treatment protocol based only on a literature review without extensive studies to back it up.

But you're here pushing an experimental an inadequately test gene therapy. I say that because the FTC filing for the Covid 'vaccines' stated that these were gene therapy but would be allowed to be marketed as 'vaccines' in order to avoid 'vaccine hesitancy'.

Japan refused to purchase the 'vaccine' until an industry standard test assessing bioaccummulation was performed on the Covid 'vaccines. That test takes 24 hrs but was never done until Japan balked at purchase. You're in favor of suggesting 'vaccines' without extensive studies, or even industry standard studies. You even suggest people take these 'vaccines' despite all the known problems coming to light, in addition to it's failed history prior to the plandemic.

The recommendation of 5,000 U of vitamin D per day is excessive. Since vitamin D is fat soluble, excesses are not eliminated rapidly. Taking that much vitamin D can lead to the buildup of toxic quantities of vitamin D in the body. The safest way to take vitamin D is on the advice of your doctor who tells you an appropriate dose based on your serum levels. It's not safe to take mega doses of vitamin D (or anything else) just because you read something on the internet or saw it in some "health guru" book.

I don't know if anyone ever told you, but Vitamin D is commonly sold in unit of 5,000 U. Seems like you need to rush around and tell the industry not to sell those supplements. You should probably tell the public that if they follow your toxic advice and stay indoors to avoid exposure, they won't get enough sunlight to produce Vitamin D- just a thought.

Finally, I will say that I commend the addition of a warning to dilute the hydrogen peroxide. I would never use H2O2 for anything except topical use; I don't want to breathe any more of it than I am exposed to when I open the H2O2 bottle. H2O2 is an oxidant with broad antimicrobial properties due to its toxicity.

Too many people on FR know more than you do for you to have much of an impact trying to steer the public to the 'vaccines'.


38 posted on 04/24/2024 12:10:18 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote; griffin

Dr.Mom cannot be this ill-informed. She is an intentional shill for the Medico-Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex.


40 posted on 04/24/2024 1:08:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Coming)
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To: ransomnote
I don't do internet searches for medical literature. I use Pubmed (www.pubmed.gov), which is a database containing citations, usually along with abstracts, and sometimes with the full text of the article.

The advantage of using Pubmed is that only legitimate medical and scientific journals are catalogued there.

Sure, I can search the internet and find all kinds of stuff claiming miracle cures for anything. But if it's not published in the accepted medical literature, I take it with a huge grain of salt.

So, let's take a look at the paper you found, "The Anti-Cytokine Storm Activity of Quercetin Zinc and Vitamin C Complex" PMID: 35721668.

This was a study in mice. That's all. The biology of mice is different than humans, meaning that we cannot simply extrapolate the results of mouse studies to humans. Before we can even test a drug in humans, we generally do studies in more than one animal species, from fish to rodents to rabbits to non-human primates. And only if we see the desired results in all of those animals, we move on to human studies. And even then, no matter how promising the animal studies were, the results might not pan out in humans.

Who said 'all the indoor air is filtered'? No one.

Ah, you read into my words something that I did not say. I never said that all indoor air is filtered. I said that if you want to avoid catching an airborne pathogen, you would have to stay inside where the air is filtered. Obviously, staying inside where the air isn't filtered won't help. The air should be filtered through HEPA filters, although I did not state that previously.

We all watched the vaccinated get Covid again and again and again - you're one of the few who are still trying to claim the 'vaccine' will prevent infection.

Let's try to understand how the immune system works. If someone who is vaccinated keeps catching Covid over and over, it means that their immune system is impaired. A vaccine is not a shield, it is a training program to teach the immune system how to respond to the pathogen without actually being exposed to it. I'm fully vaccinated and had the experience of driving a laboratory-confirmed Covid patient to the doctor then to the pharmacy. So, there I was, in a confined space with a symptomatic Covid patient. And I did not catch Covid. I tested myself twice. Nope, no Covid. My immune system learns very well from vaccines.

They don't need to be the same or even similar. Quercetin and Zinc work together well to mitigate Cytokine storm and other aspects of illness, and improve absorption of Zinc.

Only in mice. And quercetin and (H)CQ are different enough to tell me that they do not interact with the same targets. Look at those structures. The CQ has a chlorine side group, which is negatively charged, but it contains three nitrogens that are positively charged. Thus, it has an overall positive +2 charge. The addition of the hydroxy group to make HCQ reduces the charge to +1 and makes it more water soluble. On the other hand, the quercetin has five hydroxy groups and two other oxygen atoms, giving it an overall negative charge of -7. Chemically, those negative charges mean that it cannot interact with the same targets that the positively charged (H)CQ interacts with. And if they are not interacting with the same targets, they are not interchangeable.

SOME zinc is not absorbed by SOME cells

Nope. Zinc is a necessary ion for all cells. There is no need to take any supplements to increase zinc uptake, since all cells will transport it inside when they need it.

ALL OF THE ANIMAL STUDIES OF THE mRNA platform 'didn't pan out' because the animals sickened/died.

Um, animal studies of mRNA vaccines did not cause the animals to die. All living things contain mRNA, so the suggestion that it is somehow toxic is nonsensical.

Furthermore, if an experimental drug proves toxic in animals, the FDA won't allow testing in humans. We had a rabbit die after dosing it with our experimental drug. The FDA would not allow us to continue development on that drug until we could explain to them how the rabbit died and could assure the FDA that the problem was due to rabbit physiology and does not apply to humans. Our development effort was set back at least six months and tens of thousands of dollars because of that rabbit death.

But you're here pushing an experimental an inadequately test gene therapy. I say that because the FTC filing for the Covid 'vaccines' stated that these were gene therapy but would be allowed to be marketed as 'vaccines' in order to avoid 'vaccine hesitancy'.

I cannot find any verification of this. If you have a link to the FTC filing, post it. Scientifically, an mRNA vaccine cannot be a gene therapy agent because it does not interact with or alter DNA. In order for something to be classed as gene therapy, it must either be made of DNA or interact with DNA in such a way as to alter the DNA.

It is unfortunate that people understand so little of molecular biology that they don't even know that RNA and DNA are different and have different properties. If only people understood that, no one would believe the lie that mRNA is a gene therapy.

I don't know if anyone ever told you, but Vitamin D is commonly sold in unit of 5,000 U. Seems like you need to rush around and tell the industry not to sell those supplements. You should probably tell the public that if they follow your toxic advice and stay indoors to avoid exposure, they won't get enough sunlight to produce Vitamin D- just a thought.

Lots of vitamins are sold in doses that are far higher than the actual daily requirement. The research is only beginning in the area of effects of consuming mega quantities of necessary vitamins. The FDA does not usually step in to control the quantities of vitamins and minerals in supplements until there is a large body of evidence to warrant such control.

The concept of getting sunlight to induce vitamin D production is a bit problematic. The UV in sunlight directly damages DNA, and this DNA damage can eventually lead to carcinogenesis. So, a fair-skinned person who avoids sun exposure because of concerns about skin cancer might not be able to get enough vitamin D. The latitude also matters (a lot) since people in northern latitudes might not be able to get sufficient vitamin D through sun exposure alone. The only safe way to supplement vitamin D is through monitoring of blood serum vitamin D levels. When I moved from Maryland to Texas, my serum levels of vitamin D shot up and I had to cut back on the supplements.

43 posted on 04/25/2024 9:19:38 PM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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