[Eleutheria5]

OK. OK. You and No Pardons win. Mandela was not “relatively reasonable” except relative to his present heirs, who are outright bastards.

[magooey]

You are better read on the South African background that I am, so I appreciate your perspective. My advantage is that I have been resident on and off in southern Africa for a goodly part of the last quarter century. At various times I have listened to advice to NOT visit South Africa due to the color problem.