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To: Openurmind

They are not really on the right. They are only right to the dedicated left, but they are still to the left of us. Yes, they are co-sonspirators.

In politics, there is objective and subjective.

Objective is by definition. Somebody on the right is defined as somebody who is strong on individualism and weak on government. Somebody is on the left is strong on government and weak on individualism.

Subjective is in relation to you. You can be more on the right than somebody and more on the left than somebody. Somebody hardcore left can still be to the right of somebody else, who is more hardcore to the left. They are both objective left, but subjectively more or less to the left to each other.


14 posted on 04/07/2024 5:45:37 AM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Jonty30
--- "Objective is by definition. Somebody on the right is defined as somebody who is strong on individualism and weak on government. Somebody is on the left is strong on government and weak on individualism. Subjective is in relation to you. You can be more on the right than somebody and more on the left than somebody. Somebody hardcore left can still be to the right of somebody else, who is more hardcore to the left. They are both objective left, but subjectively more or less to the left to each other."

Well put. The ostensible model of Left-Right is failing, as one watches government demand to grow and grow and grow.

About a century back, one had made the distinction between government and people, that when government was bigger and more powerful, individuals were made to be smaller and less powerful. It seems that insight is proving itself out now, daily.

One also observes that "we the people" was a phrase to set a fledgling United States against its "ruler."

25 posted on 04/07/2024 5:57:56 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Jonty30

The key word here is “establishment” republicans and the voters foolish enough to vote for those such as Haley. This New World Order started before Bush senior and he was a strong facilitator.


28 posted on 04/07/2024 6:10:35 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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