Incredible map shows the places on the moon where US, China and Russia are racing to find 'infinite energy' or trillions of dollars in minerals by 2030

Daily Mail ^ | 3/30/24 | Rob Waugh

[PIF]

You beam the power to earth with microwave energy to converter stations.

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Trouble with that is a great deal of the energy would be lost in transiting the Earth’s atmosphere. The energy lost would heat the atmosphere continually.

Then, there all the birds and beneficial insects that would be fried.

Ecological disaster of epic proportions.

[PIF]

Those Chinese “immigrants”
coming across the border aren’t aren’t here because
they want to experience “Our Democracy

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most of them will be working on the Chinese marijuana farms.

No one, under Xi Jinping, leaves China without Party approval.

[Gen.Blather]

There were various prices listed when I tried to determine the cost to lift a pound into orbit, but I settled on $1200. That’s low Earth orbit, so I’d imagine if you were going to the moon with that pound, it would be a bit more. And they’ve been lying to us with those models of the Earth they showed us in grade school with the moon right next to it. The moon is roughly 240,000 miles away. The Earth has a diameter of roughly 8,000 miles. The diameter of the Earth goes into that distance thirty times. That is one heck of a long way to ship that one pound. We’re going to have fabulous amounts of materials (in their raw and unusable state) on the moon but whatever we ship there to mine it, and everyone knows how light weight mining equipment is, has to go from low Earth orbit to high Earth orbit across the distance of the entire Earth thirty times and then LAND on the moon. You then start mining, refining, and fabricating...and then what? Ship it back and accidentally drop it on Seatle?

We haven’t even touched the stuff at the bottom of the Ocean. The only reason we don’t have all the cheap minerals we want right here is because various environmental groups have made it illegal to touch them. Are you saying it’s worth an unbelievable fortune to go to the moon to get stuff we could have here for relatively pennies because we can’t fight environmental crazies? Okay, got it.

[PIF]

The first Artemis mission is delayed until at least 2030. Map says the Artemis IV mission will happen in 2008. This must be a very old map. SpaceX's StarShip is only on its 4th launch (coming soon). It will be a struggle for StarShip to get to the Moon before the 2030s. Artemis depends on StarShip. As for StarShip putting 3 people on the Moon, it is so heavy (being made out of stainless steel) that it will take 200 refuelings to get there. Boeing had the original contract and despite the lower powered engines, it could have made the trip in a single shot, due to its very light composite construction. Sadly, a manager at NASA decided Boeing' plan to succeed needed some inside information. He was caught and Boeing's potential rocket was cancelled.

[Keyhopper]

I read that is was $10,000 a pound when NASA began launching the shuttles in the 90s.

[Gen.Blather]

I used a number from a private company. Also, I’m not sure if the 10k number, which is what I recalled from when I was dealing with NASA, is low or medium. Low Earth orbit still has some atmospheric drag, so you have to launch fuel with it to keep it in a stable orbit.

Having dealt with NASA, they often charged more to do a study than a private company charged to do the actual job.

The reason you see mining mentioned in so many science fiction stories is there is damned little reason to go to anyplace but Earth. In the starting narration of just about every movie now “the Earth was devastated by Global Warming and wiped clean of mineral wealth.” They have to say something because there’s literally no reason to leave Earth. Imagine what a day would be like on a moon base, or on Mars. No sunshine, no walking outside, no plants except indoors. Boring, boring, boring. The suicide rate would be through the roof. And if you have a crazy neighbor, you’d be forced to kill him.

[norwaypinesavage]

Just think about a 22,000 mile tall invisible pole sticking straight up out of every receiving power station stretching to the power generating satellite. Every bird, satellite, and airplane on and around earth would have to dodge these poles to keep from getting fried.

[unread]

"2030 seems to be a very popular year for the elite these days.

Yeah, the "One Worlders" think they're winning, the future belongs to them....maybe they're right.. :(

[Wuli]

We may blunder into things that will result in a form of “terraforming” the moon in ways that change it’s mass and in doing so change it’s orbit and the tidal effects it has on earth. I do not think we are smart enough yet for some of the “off world” things we are rushing into and rushing into mostly just to compete with each other.

[fella]

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[Keyhopper]

Sounds like a good job for tranny’s

[citizen]

Read the trilogy Red Mars-Green Mars-Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson. In the first book there’s a faction of eco-terrorists, called Reds of course, who are bent on keeping Mars in it’s pristine state, free from all manmade blemishes.

[citizen]

China has yet to design and build a rocket that does what Starship does...

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What Starship is hoped to do. They're not there...yet.

[Bayard]

Even what it does now they don’t have, not really. I doubt they will even have started working on their own big rocket by the time the shakedowns from Starship are finished.

[citizen]

The first Artemis mission is delayed until at least 2030.

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Artemis 1, an uncrewed systems test, orbited the moon in Dec. 2022, all on auto-pilot.

The crewed Artemis 2 mission (maybe late next year) takes the no-balls approach of not landing - not even orbiting the moon - just make one large loop around then come straight back.

Apollo went and landed on the first trip.

I suppose the real reason for another test run of Artemis is that the orbiting docking station, the moon landing craft and other components of the more complex Artemis system are not fully developed, tested and in place.

[citizen]

I hope politics gets out of the way and allows all the various space efforts to progress without interference.

[citizen]

Btw, I typed that Artemis 1 orbited the moon. I think it, too, only looped around it, as will Artemis 2.

[PIF]

I meant the first human mission to the moon. Which will be delayed until 2030 or later.

[HartleyMBaldwin]

Apollo went and landed on the first trip.

Not hardly. There were plenty of Apollo missions before Apollo 11. In fact Apollo 10 did everything two months earlier except actually landing on the moon. I sometimes wonder how Stafford, Cernan, and Young felt about that.

[citizen]

You know, thaat’s right, they did the flyby, too Thx