[Zhang Fei]

[I can’t hold a serious discussion with someone who needs to “win the internet” by ignoring/denying serious historians like Vernadsky and Halperin.]

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A serious attitude can’t paper over the cognitive dissonance introduced by events that contradict their narratives. They are starting with an assumption of Mongol subservience and ignoring the sheer anarchy of Mongol tribal interactions because it doesn’t fit their narrative. I understand the point of theory is so we don’t have to think of everything at the same time. What these people are doing, however, isn’t theory - it’s obscurantism, the denial of facts apparent at first glance.

[Chad C. Mulligan]

What these people are doing, however, isn’t theory - it’s obscurantism, the denial of facts apparent at first glance.

Generations of historians' work lies behind what I referenced. Now you come along and throw all that into the weeds all by yourself. This has gotten entirely too "woke" for me.