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New York And California Getting Totally Lost With Energy Storage
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 8 Mar, 2024 | Francis Menton

Posted on 03/09/2024 4:36:07 AM PST by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 03/09/2024 4:36:07 AM PST by MtnClimber
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I wonder how long a 208,000 MWh battery storage facility would burn.


2 posted on 03/09/2024 4:36:17 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: StAntKnee

Manhattan Contrarian ping


3 posted on 03/09/2024 4:40:41 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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They are forging ahead quickly because they don’t know how long they have to run this scam.


4 posted on 03/09/2024 4:58:46 AM PST by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: MtnClimber

Energy solution: COAL, GASOLINE, DIESAL, and NATURAL GAS.

DRILL BABY DRILL. MINE BABY MINE.


5 posted on 03/09/2024 5:00:09 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose GOD is the LORD. (Psalm 33:12))
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I, took, chuckle when supposedly enlightened articles about "green" energy storage uses the wrong unites (i.e. MW instead of mWh). In my case for home solar it was always kW vs kWh.

Of course, those were always the ones telling us to to do it to save the world or some such. The few people who write about it to teach people how to make themselves more energy self-reliant (and therefore less controlled by government regulations), tend to be the ones that provide meaningful information.

6 posted on 03/09/2024 5:02:10 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber

Three words: Follow. The. Money.


7 posted on 03/09/2024 5:03:12 AM PST by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: stars & stripes forever

We are drilling.

The problem is that Deep State is exporting record amounts of it.


8 posted on 03/09/2024 5:03:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: MtnClimber
The greatest danger the USA--and the world--face today is the mass delusions of the left.

Contempt for Truth is the evil most fundamental to the Decadence of Western Civilization.

9 posted on 03/09/2024 5:08:55 AM PST by Savage Beast (Pray for the Enlightenment of the Democrats.)
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In all the world there is nothing more toxic then the ideas that come from the minds of the left..


10 posted on 03/09/2024 5:09:57 AM PST by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: MtnClimber

“it’s actually an arithmetic problem” is where I laughed so hard I spit coffee on my wife sitting next to me. she was not happy. the same people who have this “arithmetic problem” are the same people who claim that an X chromosome and a Y chromosome can be combined to create any number of genders they want. clearly arithmetic is not their strong suit.


11 posted on 03/09/2024 5:11:58 AM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: MtnClimber

The first application for utility scale power storage should be to balance out peak demand in the morning and evening. That would decrease emissions while significantly improving efficiency.


12 posted on 03/09/2024 5:12:28 AM PST by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind bweek.lows too much)
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Energy Storage built and controlled by the Chinese Communist Party with a built in self-destruct switch ?


13 posted on 03/09/2024 5:17:38 AM PST by butlerweave
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“...” the only way to make the grid function full-time would be energy storage...”

true and when they realize this, then there next solution will be rationing. all in the name of equity of course.


14 posted on 03/09/2024 5:23:11 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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This is also how I look at the issue. I question the 720 hour target. Get rid of a peak plant that only runs a few hours at most, replace with battery. Recharge batteries with the base load plant in off peak demand time. Of course you would want extra battery capacity for max peak, plant down for maintenance, etc. So I’m confused on minimum of 720 hours capacity. Any help with what I’m missing?

Base load plants are a totally different situation and if they want to close those plants, suggest, buy candle company stock!

15 posted on 03/09/2024 5:24:55 AM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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To: Tell It Right

I just had a German home battery company recommended to me on a tech forum. They have a significant US presence.

When I took a cursory look at their web site, it was long on marketing to those seeking Green virtue-signaling, and short on technical information on why they have a better product. They are quite pricey.

Needless to say, I was unimpressed, and came to the conclusion that if you bought this firm’s battery system for storing energy produced by your solar array for nighttime use, you’d be overpaying for your batteries.

https://sonnenusa.com/en/


16 posted on 03/09/2024 5:35:20 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DugwayDuke

Electricity is something too important for the government not to ration it.


17 posted on 03/09/2024 5:39:49 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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“As always, they speak of the wrong units, MW instead of MWh.”

Even the people who bought an EV (meaning Leftists) understand the difference between Megawatts and Megawatt-hours (or kwh, in their case), so I have to believe that the conflating of the two is INTENTIONAL, and meant to hide the fact that these battery systems might provide a decent amount of power, but being that they’ll run out in 4 hours (in this case), they cannot even make it to midnight on any given day before going dark.


18 posted on 03/09/2024 5:40:27 AM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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The solution is not batteries but rather capacitors.

An infinite number of inexpensive 10,000 mw flux capacitors wired in parallel can provide a lot of storage for non commercial energy users. Unlike batteries, flux capacitors can be stacked vertically. In parallel stacks of great height, little real estate is required. Thus in cities where property is expensive, multistory flux capacitor stacks can be spaced at intervals to supply multifamily residential needs.


19 posted on 03/09/2024 5:47:31 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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I’m convinced we need a Constitutional amendment to require Congresscritters and all federal employees to refer to money in the federal treasury as “stolen funds” or “money stolen from taxpayers.” Any federal employee using the term “federal funds” or equivalent language is subject to immediate discharge from federal employment.


20 posted on 03/09/2024 6:14:53 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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