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10 Shot-Down Jets In 10 Days. Russia’s Aerial Surge In Ukraine Is Getting More Of Its Pilots Killed.
Forbes ^
| 2/27/2024
| David Axe
Posted on 02/27/2024 2:55:45 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: zek157
I was fortunate... was hit over Haiphong.... Made it to the gulf....punched out and spent about 4 hours in my little rubber duckie bleeding like a stuck pig..... Thank God for the USAF Golly Green crews ( I was USN BTW)
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posted on
02/27/2024 3:32:43 PM PST
by
Robe
(A nation can survive its fools and even n the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
Still in the 2nd quarter of the game. Let us know when it is over who won.Tie game at this point. Either Russia or Ukraine can win the war. But Russians are gaining momentum again.
To: Mariner
The US lost over 2200 aircraft in Vietnam.
Jane Fonda took publicity photos with the Russian AA guns that were used to shoot down our pilots over Vietnam.
To: Mariner
Don’t believe Russia has 2200 aircraft to even lose, but thanks for the Vietnam comparison, lol
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posted on
02/27/2024 3:59:18 PM PST
by
blitz128
To: Mariner; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...
Ukraine ping
Mariner: [The US lost over 2200 aircraft in Vietnam.]
Thanks to Russia supplying its latest fighter jets and SAM systems to North Vietnam. And direct Russian participation. It’s time for Biden to stop dragging this out and return the favor. An official Russian government website gloats:
https://www.rbth.com/history/332396-how-soviets-fought-against-americans
[Throughout the war, Moscow provided Hanoi with 95 S-75 air defense missile systems, over 500 airplanes, 120 helicopters, more than 5,000 anti-aircraft guns and 2,000 tanks. In addition, more than 10,000 Soviet military specialists were dispatched to Vietnam: from missile crews, pilots and signalmen to tank crews and doctors.]
Meanwhile, Biden has provided 2 Patriot systems, vs the 95 given to Hanoi, and 0 jet fighters vs the 500 Russia handed to North Vietnam. Meanwhile, there was zero real estate North Vietnam could hold in South Vietnam that the US wanted to take, despite North Vietnam’s massive Russian-supplied arsenal. Whereas Ukraine is preventing Russian advances despite Western aid packages that consist mainly of non-lethal assistance. The way the West is aiding Ukraine is reminiscent of the era before Russia invaded, just with bigger numbers.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:04:49 PM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
To: Reverend Wright
If it is so good why are systems from s-400 on down be taken down at large numbers by a few western weapons, and good number of the weapons Russians Air Force is designed to take down are failing
Big plus though they are pretty good at taking down their own aircraft.
Pretty soon no awacs for Russia and the Sam units and Russia aircraft will be scurrying
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:07:52 PM PST
by
blitz128
To: marcusmaximus
IF the Ukes really are shooting down Russian Su-34’s, they’re using million-dollar per shot Patriot missiles to do it, and they’re going to run out of missiles before Russia runs out of jets.
Unless, of course, Johnson caves and gives the Dems their Ukraine funding.
Either way this proxy war is costing the US taxpayers a lot of dollars, all the while the Ukrainian population is being fed into a pointless meatgrinder.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:08:02 PM PST
by
absalom01
(You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
To: buwaya
Nah. The Ukies are doing great. Let Europe give their Treasure and Weapons.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:10:36 PM PST
by
tennmountainman
( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
To: House Atreides; All
Both sides have been conducting information warfare since the beginning of the war.
The primary purpose of the Russian effort seems to be to keep the Russian population supporting the war.
The primary purpose of the Ukrainian effort seems to be to keep Western aid flowing.
Both sides have had numerous failures. Their successes are not so obvious, by design.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:11:40 PM PST
by
marktwain
(The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: marcusmaximus
A plane here, a plane there, pretty soon this war is going to get expensive.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:16:09 PM PST
by
taxcontrol
(The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
To: ransomnote
CIA targeting bases delivering accurate hits.
It’s been a shadow war for a decade, as has been revealed.
To: MinorityRepublican
>Russia or Ukraine can win the war.<
You’re out of your mind.
The UKES have won some impressive battles against the RUS Black Sea Fleet, but to regain Crimea they’d need to be able to launch a huge amphibious landing, an extremely difficult operation way beyond their capabilities in terms of men and ships.
And attacks on RUS infrastructure are pinpricks given RUS size and resources.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:16:51 PM PST
by
bimboeruption
(“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
To: Robe
[I was fortunate... was hit over Haiphong.... Made it to the gulf....punched out and spent about 4 hours in my little rubber duckie bleeding like a stuck pig..... Thank God for the USAF Golly Green crews ( I was USN BTW)]
Thank you for your service. Good that you avoided the Hanoi Hilton, or worse. Were you part of Pocket Money, the operation over Haiphong?
You have Russia to thank for your close shave. It supplied its latest fighter jets and SAM systems to North Vietnam and crews to operate some of those systems. An official Russian government website gloats:
https://www.rbth.com/history/332396-how-soviets-fought-against-americans
[Throughout the war, Moscow provided Hanoi with 95 S-75 air defense missile systems, over 500 airplanes, 120 helicopters, more than 5,000 anti-aircraft guns and 2,000 tanks. In addition, more than 10,000 Soviet military specialists were dispatched to Vietnam: from missile crews, pilots and signalmen to tank crews and doctors.]
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:17:59 PM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
To: absalom01; marcusmaximus
ON THE EFFECTIVE USE OF PROXY WARFARE - by Andrew Lewis Peek, May 2021, Dissertation for PhD
CHAPTER THREE: RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, 2013-2016 [pg 118 of 446 in the PDF file]
"This chapter will examine Russia’s use of proxy forces in Ukraine from the beginning of demonstrations in Kiev’s Maidan Square on November 21, 2013 to the dissipation of the conflict in 2016. Though it covers all the high-intensity periods of the war, this chapter is focused on the fighting in Donbas and not Russia’s takeover of Crimea."
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:19:01 PM PST
by
linMcHlp
To: Mariner
There were about 11,846 U.S helicopters that served in the Vietnam War. The U.S records show 5,607 helicopter losses. In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes, 5,607 helicopters and 578 UAVs ).
The USAF lost about 2.200 aircraft.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:19:57 PM PST
by
kabar
To: blitz128
Any air defence is vulnerable to attack. As soon as it is turned on, it signals its presence.
That is different from whether USA/NATo can establish air superiority. If they can’t, the West will certainly lose in an all out conventional war against Russia - as the Counter-Offensive showed.
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:25:59 PM PST
by
Reverend Wright
( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
To: Mariner
That is a big number.
“F-4 Phantom II—445 total, 382 in combat”
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posted on
02/27/2024 4:28:36 PM PST
by
Paladin2
To: bimboeruption
Yevgeny Prigozhin could have taken Moscow.
To: MinorityRepublican
Tie game at this point. Either Russia or Ukraine can win the war. But Russians are gaining momentum again. A tie? Definitely not. As far as I know, Moscow is not frantically building fortifications like Kiev is doing right now. That should give you a hint of what is happening. Don't believe it? Just wait.
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