Posted on 02/24/2024 9:47:21 AM PST by Reno89519
Maybe I'm wrong on this, not sure how far technology reaches today.
Let me ask another way, if the fertilization is forced, is the resulting life fair game to kill? When? Doesn’t that end at birth or is that life always subject to termination?
It’s in the bible:
Live begins where Memorex ends.
“When does life begin? I think most agree that eggs and sperm individually by themseves is not life.”
No, sperm and eggs are alive. But, by themselves, they are not persons.
When we say “life begins at conception” we are talking about the unique life of an individual human being.
Sure, implantation (in the uterus wall), the development of brainwaves, heartbeats, and the ability to feel pain are significant developments in the womb.
At conception, there is a spark of electricity and a flash of light. Unique DNA is formed. The embryo, from conception, contains the full DNA, 23 pairs of chromosomes, of a living human being.
Yea it can be a nightmare. I have seen it.
It’s a calling, what can I say.
“Once viable?”
Viability is the most nebulous of criteria.
Is a one-year-old baby “viable”?
Not without assistance.
If you drop off a random adult on a deserted island, there’s about a 99.999 percent chance they will die. We’re not so “viable” ourselves.
Is COVID-19 a “living” virus even though Anthony Fauci has patents on it?
The question of human life should have been asked and answered before IVF was ever even attempted. If unanswerable, it should have been treated as though human life were involved.
Modern “science” is very disappointing. I believe it has rejected God for no reason, at all.
Jeremiah 1:5 NASBS
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
I think we are very much on the same page.
We absolutely don't lose our voice
And we should keep fighting .... but unless we can
reestablish a shared ethos we should not let the state be the enforcer of ethical decisions lest we find ourselves in a pickle ...
As with the giblet laws now..... not a shared ethic ... I don't want a law that tells me I have to be near, hire, talk to or .... speak out against the nasty things.
When does life begin?
I am very against abortion. However, that is a hard question to answer, especially via legislation. Although, I view partial birth abortion as clearly murder, no matter what a legislature says.
I do like the way the original Roe V Wade decision said that the state has an interest in the unborn and that interest grows the closer the unborn comes to being born.
A life form which is alive and has human DNA is a human being.
So human life begins when DNA from the sperm and egg unite.
Certainly, at the moment of conception.
At that moment, no other sperm can enter the egg. At that moment, all of the new life’s traits or the blueprint for the person are in place. ALL.
The embryo that is developing is following the blueprint.
The Man and the Woman who have united to cause the life have only one duty to perform. To nurture and love the child. It is an awesome responsibility, not to be taken lightly.
There is “life,” and there is “a human being.”
They are not the same.
There is the religious angle, and the legal angle. Individual decisions can be made on whatever angles the individual wants. But legal issues are settled differently.
Someone using their (not mine) religious position to force a law on the rest of us is not only incredibly hubristic, it’s a great way to motivate the other, majority, side, into tossing his candidates the heck out of office.
As will happen.
Each state sets their standard for the second question:
“When does a (insert your favorite term) become a human being, with all rights as given by the Constitution and/or States?”
Although so many of the louder voices make it a religious question (and answer), under our Constitutional form of government, religion has very little to do with this LEGAL issue. Other than individuals voting their conscience when presented with the opportunity.
And now one State, Alabama, has set their (temporary) standard with one guy quoting from his religion.
Glad I don’t live there.
Here in Florida, the Governor and Legislature overplayed their hands on this. Outlawed abortion after 6 weeks, when many women don’t even know they’re pregnant.
And now there is a major push to ammend our Constitution to basically forbid ANY law on abortion. And enough signed the petition to get it on the upcoming ballot.
And it will pass, and drive tremendous turnout from dems, Independents, and many Rs who will vote for it. And that turnout will toss some R’s from office.
The tail wagging the dog.
Because it’s a legal question, and most people are tired of the nuts on both sides.
Even though it seems clear to me and others that it is rational to conclude that human life begins at conception, it is an unfortunate fact there is doubt or disbelief about this in a large segment of the population. Is it a human life, or isn't it? If it isn't, you can do whatever you want with it. If it is, it should be treated like all other human life. If one simply does not know, it should be given the benefit of the doubt of being human until proved otherwise. It would be akin to seeing a human shaped bag in the middle of the road. If there's a chance there's a human being in there, do you stop or go around it, or just run over it because you don't know? If you are going to err, it's always wise to err on the side of life.
Opus?
I believe that human "conception" actually only considers to have taken place when the morula (abt 8 cells) attaches to the uterus wall and begins differentiating.
At what stage is the fertilized ovum implanted into a surrogate host "mother"?
(written without reading much further than the title)
Q.: When did Adam's fully formed corpus actually come to life?
A.: When Jehovah Elohim "breathed" spirit into the biomass.
Until then, although perhaps even biologically functioning, was still not spiritually "alive," eh?
And at point does a dying human finally stop "living," hm?
Perhaps never, if the LORD has His way. OSAS.
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