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To: Olog-hai

God was with Joseph in that endeavor, so claiming he created the first communist state is both a lie and blasphemy. It is absurd to infer that Joseph created a state of affairs where the family, private property and religion were all abolished.

Yeah, I’ve even heard christian pastors say that Joseph was the first iteration of Jesus.

So I’m just making my own personal observation —based on scripture.

God favored the Hebrews. He did not favor the Egyptians. What happened to the Egyptians was their tough luck/fate/bad judgment/God’s judgment—precisely because of God’s covenant with Jewish people. God favors who he favors. Think of the inverse of this. Is it blasphemy to say that
1000 years later God favored the Assyrians and Babylonians over the Hebrews—for a time—because of the idol worship of the Hebrews. And that’s why Judah and Israel were taken into captivity. This is the sort of thing that the prophets of Israel prophesied even before it happened.

The only source of food during a crippling seven-year famine was the storage bins created buy Joseph, second-in-command to Pharaoh over all the land of Egypt (Genesis 41:44). The people spent all their cash, traded all their livestock, and now have sold their land and their freedom to Pharaoh. He owned everything (Genesis 47:13–21).

That’s the definition of a communist state.

In modern parlance, we fear the people who say “You will own nothing and be happy”

The founders of this country understood something about the importance of private property. The original Declaration of Independence read people have the right to life, liberty, and property. It was later amended to read that “people have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”


20 posted on 02/17/2024 5:55:20 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Joseph made a bad mistake. So, did many in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testement. The HOLY SPIRIT did not indwelling belivets yet.


28 posted on 02/17/2024 6:05:29 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GFLOBALISM ! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: ckilmer

No it is not communistic. Not even God would permit Pharaoh something so aberrant. And under Joseph’s administration, it could and would not have been.

Remember that atheism cannot be separated from communism, too.

The Egyptians were pagans to be sure (the name of their chief god Ra is a homonym and homophone of the Hebrew word for evil), but the Pharaoh of Joseph’s day knew not to curse the God of Joseph and his father Israel or else he’d be undone.


51 posted on 02/17/2024 6:56:32 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: ckilmer

The centralized Egyptian state was in its 14th dynasty and 1300 years into despotic god kings, when Joseph lived. Blaming Israelites for this is absurd


108 posted on 02/23/2024 8:35:48 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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