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Investments Pinglist: SPY:TLT ratio, 20 year chart
Stockcharts ^ | 02/14/24 | self

Posted on 02/14/2024 9:07:01 AM PST by Eccl 10:2

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Not all investment is for a capital gain over time.

Some is for income. Stocks that pay a good dividend provide good income, but in states with income taxes that is taxable income. Bonds pay income, but in most states federal treasury bond income is not taxable, to the state. That makes some bond investments a good deal where some income, not just capital gains, is whate someone is looking for.


21 posted on 02/14/2024 10:23:40 AM PST by Wuli
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To: 1of10
Careful here.

You quoted me as saying ”stocks are much better than bonds,”.

Your mal-quote of me is deceptively out of context.

In context, I said, in full:

"Note that in the long term, stocks are much better than bonds."

Which is a correct statement.

Peace.

22 posted on 02/14/2024 10:28:04 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Eccl 10:2

ping


23 posted on 02/14/2024 10:30:20 AM PST by Bob434
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To: CaptainK
How do you know how Spielberg has invested his money?

He first mentioned his risk-averse investing aftet he 1987 crash, and confirmed it some years later.

24 posted on 02/14/2024 10:39:10 AM PST by montag813
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To: Eccl 10:2
Lot's of different way's to trade.

I've traded stocks for many, many years. Way back in the early 90's....I only traded O&G and Metals. Got my feet wet...Did well....made mistakes now and then...of course.

Things I learned. Have HARD stops.

Date them.....don't marry them.

I've learned alot from other people..but I know what I'm doing and my way..is just my way.

This current "M" is tough...but I'm still making money....it's harder...but doable.

FWIW-

25 posted on 02/14/2024 10:40:40 AM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: Wuli
“Bonds pay income, but in most states federal treasury bond income is not taxable”

And that is the best argument in support of bonds.
A stable income in stable times, not something to be laughed at or scorned.

One size never fits all, and that's why I enjoy hearing how other people approach money matters.

26 posted on 02/14/2024 11:12:31 AM PST by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: Osage Orange

“Things I learned. Have HARD stops.

Date them.....don’t marry them.”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Excellent advice. I start keeping my stops at 1-2% below the buy price, putting them in IMMEDIATELY after I buy. Then if the stock goes up, I move up the stops, and tighten them to like 0.75% - 1% below the current price.

First priority is not to lose money.

“Good practice comes from experience. Experience comes from bad practice.”


27 posted on 02/14/2024 11:17:03 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Osage Orange

“I’m still making money.”

So throw us a..bone ...

Where do you see this thing going?
What are you in/watching ?
What indicators do you follow closest?
...just a hint or 2 will do ... thanks


28 posted on 02/14/2024 11:17:30 AM PST by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: Eccl 10:2

You think like I think,,,,,,,


29 posted on 02/14/2024 11:20:53 AM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: 1of10

I know a number of investors who have the accounts of some retired folks, and they all have some % of the portfolio in bonds.

Now, for a thirty or forty year old they may not do that, as getting more long term equitable value gains seems more important for a younger person’s portfolio.

It all depends on the needs of the person for whom the investments are made, and those needs can change over time, and can change with age as well.


30 posted on 02/14/2024 11:22:00 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Osage Orange

The Market is a hard and unforgiving teacher.


31 posted on 02/14/2024 11:24:39 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: 1of10

Where do you see this thing going?

I don’t know....

What are you in/watching ?

Currently I like O&G...that is always what I look at

What indicators do you follow closest?
...just a hint or 2 will do ... thanks

I watch price action. I used to watch...many indicators..Too many to mention....I watch price levels..it works for me.

Here’s my email addie,,,okmeans@sbcglobal.net

I’d be happy to let you know what I do...and do not do.

I will say this..years ago I might have owned 20-25 stocks...These days less than 8-10

FWIW-

Jon


32 posted on 02/14/2024 11:30:47 AM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Yes it is.............I’ve made many mistakes...until I learned more about myself...and greed and fear.

Greed is the stronger emotion,,,Heed greed.


33 posted on 02/14/2024 11:37:02 AM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: Osage Orange

“Moderation in all things.”

That’s from a Book I’ve been reading lately...


34 posted on 02/14/2024 11:39:11 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Eccl 10:2

Yeah...it’s a good Book.


35 posted on 02/14/2024 11:43:13 AM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: Osage Orange

Nice rally brewing today, BUT...

We still have a long way to go to hit short term highs. If we don’t, the Bears could start to growl.


36 posted on 02/14/2024 12:14:29 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Eccl 10:2
“Your mal-quote of me is deceptively out of context.”

Really ....?
You think I had malicious intent ?
Deceptively .... ?
I assure you I was simply highlighting the point I intended to address. As well as give other readers a bit of context to my post.
Your statement
“Note that in the long term, stocks are much better than bonds.”
Is true under certain limited circumstances, I was simply
seeking to open the door to a wider vision of the bond market.
1 year treasury yield reached upwards of 17.31% in 1981 ...
pretty sweet ..right?
One size never fits all, times change, variables change, risk management changes.
What is long term ..... 10 20 years? 50... 75 ?
Has there ever been a bad 10 year run for stocks?

I enjoy few things more then a good economics discussion/debate...I try to learn something every day.
I have no problem telling where I stand .... right...wrong...
or in the wind. And I try to give specifics that propel me in a direction.
This with the hope that if I'm miss reading or overlooking something... perhaps someone will enlighten me.

I'm very disappointed in your choice of “mal-quote” and “deceptively” to describe my reply. It leaves me with the impression that you ascribe some nefarius motive to me.

METC is still on the rise ..... any thoughts?
NDX is running ...
10 yr down
$ down

37 posted on 02/14/2024 12:19:01 PM PST by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: Eccl 10:2
Yeah....I trade what I see.

Been years since I had a LT trade.

38 posted on 02/14/2024 12:36:34 PM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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To: Osage Orange
” less than 8-10”

Do you actively trade those ?

I simi-day trade.... when I'm board or it's raining 0-)

more fun than a bass boat ...

and for thrills and chills ....all aboard the Q train

Forgive my ignorance but .... O&G ? oil and gas ?

39 posted on 02/14/2024 12:39:47 PM PST by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: 1of10

Good luck..

Fair enough

I don’t think I can help you....


40 posted on 02/14/2024 12:55:04 PM PST by Osage Orange (I miss Rush)
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