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This 70-Year-Old Woman Might Lose Her $377,000 Home Over a Small Tax Debt
Reason ^ | 2.13.2024 | Grady J. Block

Posted on 02/13/2024 1:48:35 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: DiogenesLamp

I’ll leave that to you. For myself, I’ll just pay my taxes on time, and then I won’t have to worry about it.


21 posted on 02/13/2024 2:22:51 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Responsibility2nd
So a victim that doesn't fight back is not a victim?

I think the property is still stolen.

22 posted on 02/13/2024 2:23:20 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The very first sentence of this article indicates the Supreme Court hamstrung the state in legal tax collections. So the state did an end run and transferred the debt to a private agency. Who did the dirty work.

Ethical? Not really. But neither is the homeowner ignoring a measly thousand dollar tax bill when other viable options were available to her.


23 posted on 02/13/2024 2:24:45 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
I’ll leave that to you. For myself, I’ll just pay my taxes on time, and then I won’t have to worry about it.

I think it should be of interest to all citizens when our laws protecting private property are bent.

This is not only disproportionate punishment for the "offense" of not paying what other people assert that you owe them, but it violates a very fundamental constitutional protection for private property.

24 posted on 02/13/2024 2:26:24 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I think the property is still stolen.

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First of all, she has had nothing stolen. As even the headline says... She MAY....

If you leave your car unlocked on MLK Blvd with the keys in it and of course it is stolen, are you not even a little responsible?


25 posted on 02/13/2024 2:27:54 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The very first sentence of this article indicates the Supreme Court hamstrung the state in legal tax collections. So the state did an end run and transferred the debt to a private agency. Who did the dirty work.

As I said, private companies should not be tolerated in undertaking the duties of government. We have protections of our rights with government that we do not have if we allow private companies to violate those rights with impunity.

Ethical? Not really. But neither is the homeowner ignoring a measly thousand dollar tax bill when other viable options were available to her.

I don't consider a failure to pay a tax bill, and let me add, one which you may have had no input in deciding how much it will be, as an "ethical" question.

With all the abuse by government of the people, and their tendency to make people pay for obscene and immoral things, I dare say it is "ethical" to fight the payment of taxes in any way you can.

I think Jefferson said that "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

26 posted on 02/13/2024 2:31:23 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Responsibility2nd
First of all, she has had nothing stolen. As even the headline says... She MAY....

In the process of being stolen then.

If you leave your car unlocked on MLK Blvd with the keys in it and of course it is stolen, are you not even a little responsible?

Foolish in light of the fact that the government tolerates and indulges thievery instead of curtailing it, but the thief is still responsible for the theft.

I believe we should live in a society in which people do not have to fear having their property stolen.

We should stop putting up with theft, but our bleeding heart courts won't let us do what needs to be done to stop it.

27 posted on 02/13/2024 2:34:30 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Let's look at it this way. Every other day we read of some goober who falls off a cliff while taking a selfie. They're responsible for their own death, right?

In the same way this homeowner was responsible for not paying her thousand bucks.

The selfie taker incident was an accident.

The homeowners incident was on purpose.

"We should stop putting up with theft". That extends to homeowners who don't pay their taxes.

28 posted on 02/13/2024 2:43:03 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: Wuli

Or set up a payment plan.


29 posted on 02/13/2024 2:43:20 PM PST by uptowngirl
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To: DiogenesLamp
I believe we should live in a society in which people do not have to fear having their property stolen.

I myself have no fear of my property being at risk for not paying a thousand dollar tax bill. I have no fear of my car being stolen off of MLK Blvd.

Certainly there are many things beyond our contol that might make us a victim of theft. Even theft by the state. But this woman's failure to pay? That's on her.

30 posted on 02/13/2024 2:49:26 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: DiogenesLamp

It is of interest to me. That’s why I’ll avoid it if possible.


31 posted on 02/13/2024 2:50:32 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Responsibility2nd

And if she doesn’t pay, it means someone else has to pay more to cover the shortfall.


32 posted on 02/13/2024 2:51:18 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: nickcarraway

Property taxes should be abolished.


33 posted on 02/13/2024 2:56:55 PM PST by fretzer
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To: nickcarraway

I can believe it! There are people who constantly do searches of property files looking for people who have forgotten to pay their taxes. They then pay the tax and after so long claim the property is theirs. One of the men I worked with had that problem with someone claiming his property.

Our family has 40 acres no one has lived on for 40 years. I keep the taxes paid and notify all family members the tax has been paid.
Yet I keep getting letters from various land companies wanting to buy that property. I got two letters last week, and three letters on Monday. The property is 25 miles from the nearest town in the middle of the Ozarks. The whole family has agreed not to sell.


34 posted on 02/13/2024 2:58:22 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Responsibility2nd
Let's look at it this way. Every other day we read of some goober who falls off a cliff while taking a selfie. They're responsible for their own death, right?

In the same way this homeowner was responsible for not paying her thousand bucks.

The difference with the homeowner is that someone is pushing her off the cliff.

"We should stop putting up with theft". That extends to homeowners who don't pay their taxes.

I don't consider money I make to be the property of the government. I don't regard refusing to give them *MY* money as "theft." I consider them taking it against my will as theft.

I pay a lot of theft, I don't know about you.

35 posted on 02/13/2024 3:00:32 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Can you get property tax insurance, kind of like mortgage insurance?


36 posted on 02/13/2024 3:01:12 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Responsibility2nd
But this woman's failure to pay? That's on her.

I don't know if it is or not, but what I do know is that it is absolutely evil to take a woman's home over such a small tax bill.

As i've said, the government should only be able to take someone's house once the tax bill equals the value of the house.

This selling someone's house for less than 1% of the value is just evil.

37 posted on 02/13/2024 3:03:22 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
It is of interest to me. That’s why I’ll avoid it if possible.

Yeah, I don't want to play with them either. They hit too hard, and for very little provocation.

38 posted on 02/13/2024 3:04:22 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: fretzer
Property taxes should be abolished.

I agree. I was absolutely astonished upon reaching adulthood to learn that people have to pay just to own a piece of property. My immediate thought was that you don't actually own it, you just rent it from the government.

We are taxed in so many sundry ways, and so much of what it is spent on I despise and oppose.

39 posted on 02/13/2024 3:07:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

At least property taxes do go for things that are local, as opposed to Federal Taxes that go God knows where.


40 posted on 02/13/2024 3:08:08 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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