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To: gleeaikin
I've wondered quite a bit where all the stuff about chloroquine and its hydroxy derivative came from.

There was some research published in which several compounds were screened for antiviral activity in cell culture. But cell culture is not the same as an intact animal. When (H)CQ was tested in mice, it showed no antiviral activity and was not further tested. Until twenty years later when suddenly Trump was saying that there is a promising new antiviral treatment. Who told him that, and why?

Zelensky never did a controlled study and never published in the medical literature. All we have is that letter in which he claimed to have cured 699 Covid patients.

As for the utility of remdesivir, its efficacy against Covid was always marginal. It is still listed as a treatment option on the CDC website, but only for hospitalized patients. It is delivered intravenously. Other oral antivirals are available for treatment.

I believe that Trump was treated with convalescent serum for his Covid.

Regarding the possible spread of Covid from the wuhan lab, even in high safety labs, mistakes can be made, workers can go home infected accidentally.

No one can be accidentally infected in a BSL4 level lab without knowing immediately that they were potentially infected. Way back in 2004, before I started working at USAMRIID, a BSL4 worker was giving injections to mice. This person was using the same syringe on multiple mice, and some of the mice were infected with Ebola. One of the mice kicked the syringe, causing the needle to pierce the glove and penetrate the skin. This person was then placed in a BSL4 hospital room at USAMRIID for 21 days (the maximum incubation time of Ebola). That hospital room, called "The Slammer" was dismantled years ago. And that worker continued to work in the BSL4 lab. Funny thing at USAMRIID was that everyone knew who the worker was but no one could ever say the name because of HIPAA.

Managing Potential Laboratory Exposure to Ebola Virus by Using a Patient Biocontainment Care Unit.

The spacesuits used in BSL4 labs are pressurized and have air hoses which supply outside air. This is so that if an accidental breach of suit integrity should occur, the air will push out from the suit, preventing potentially contaminated laboratory air from entering. There are many other safeguards against accidentally bringing a pathogen outside of the lab, as well.

74 posted on 01/18/2024 5:47:10 PM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: exDemMom; Alas Babylon!; Tilted Irish Kilt; null and void; grey_whiskers; SeekAndFind; Qiviut

Concerning remarks by ALAS BABYLON!: “Meanwhile Fauci, who actually helped create the Covid 19 virus, his role in it from the President, Congress, the media and the people. Nice try, but I know far more about what went down than you.”

Since you spoke about a lot of people and subjects that had nothing to do with Covid, which is what I was talking about, you might know more about what went down regarding those subjects. However, regarding Dr. Zelenko’s efforts to alert President Trump and Mark Meadows about a specific safe, cheap treatment for early Covid, you only have limited information. Since Dr. Zelenko had lost one lung to cancer he was particularly concerned with finding a way to save people who already had health comorbidities, which is why he sent a copy of his letter to health professionals to our President. He found research from France and South Korea which gave him some ideas. He was one of several doctors serving a NY state community of around 30,000 people many like him of Jewish culture and religion.

Regarding comments by EXDEMMOM: Dr. Zelenko (not Zelensky) subsequently worked with 2 German doctors to prepare a retrospective study comparing results of people with Covid treated by him in his community, and people treated by other doctors in the community. This study determined that his patients had a significantly lower number of deaths than patients of the other doctors.

A 2021 study in Turkey, before vaccines had become commonly available, used the original Zelenko protocol and doses on around 240 hospitalized patients with Covid and often with comorbidities. They also gave 1000IU of Vitamin D3, and for one half the group they gave 24,000 milligrams (24 grams) IV Vitamin C for several days. The experiment showed that the IV Vitamin C shortened hospital stays by several weeks (unlike Remdesivir which had very little effect). When they check early lab tests from before the experiment started they were surprised to discover NONE of the patients had sufficient Vitamin D levels, a few had insufficient levels, and the rest were divided relatively equally between deficient and severely deficient Vit. D levels. The only person who died had one of the very lowest Vit. D levels. In the spring of 2020, Dr. Fauci was asked if taking Vitamins D3 and C might help immunity. He said NO. By late fall he had to admit Covid science was showing Vitamin D might help. Fauci’s all drugs and vaccines all the time point of view is probably what caused Trump to NOT do anything effective with Zelenko’s message. It made Pfizer richer and helped a lot more people die than would have using the Zelenko protocol.

HCQ is an effective malaria treatment taken regularly by millions of people in poorer tropical countries. THus if such people catch Covid they are already taking HCQ while they still have their own internal ZINC resources. In addition many more millions are taking Ivermectin to fight vicous tropical parasites. Apparently many countries where these two drugs are taken regularly also had surprisingly low Covid death rates. Although poor, some of these countries keep decent health statistics. The efforts to keep us from finding out what besides Ivermectin was being used in Uttar Pradesh, India, to stop Covid using a massive public health effort surprised me. I recently tried unsuccessfully to refind the US article which finally revealed the total Ivermectin protocol used in that successful Indian state. It also included zinc among other useful items. Why was so much effort taken to hide this information? Why was I prevented on at least six times by AOL news articles from making basic science statements like, “HCQ helps zinc get into Covid infected cells to fight the virus there.” I was told I was violating community norms, this when they were allowing really ugly comments by people who opposed Trump or Biden politically to be posted. I’m afraid the answer is Big Pharma was controlling the information flow so nothing would get in the way of their taxpayer subsidized Covid vaccines.

Bottom line, President Trump was treated with convalescent serum, and Remdesivir among other approved treatments, but he also stated he used Zinc.


75 posted on 01/18/2024 9:08:54 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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