Posted on 01/15/2024 9:25:34 AM PST by fwdude
This is not left or right.
This is Deep State brainwashing that goes back decades.
When you finally shut off the programming a whole new world opens up for you.
It is not left vs right.
It is everyday folks vs those who rule us by deception and lies.
Kicked out of heaven AGAIN?!
My entire adult life has been spent in the aerospace and aviation industries, and I’m also a pilot who soloed at 15 and had my pilot’s license at 16, before I had my driver’s license. Trust me when I tell you that we absolutely landed on the moon (how is it that I’m having to explain this in 2024?).
Don’t go there with the name calling and the guilt by association.
Do the work.
There are some excellent books on this topic if you really want to dig deeply into the details—blow by blow, lie by lie, component by component:
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Moon-Whistle-Blowers-Mary-Bennett/dp/0932813909
https://www.amazon.com/One-Small-Step-Great-Dominate/dp/1905570120
The best website on the topic—scientists and engineers who do not depend on .gov funding so they can speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:
https://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm
Do the work.
There are some excellent books on this topic if you really want to dig deeply into the details—blow by blow, lie by lie, component by component:
I’ve read all of the typical arguments before, with the primary one usually being that it is “impossible” for humans to survive a trip through the Van Allen radiation belts (the answer is that they did receive an extra dose of radiation, but manageable because they only spent a short time transiting). I’ve also seen the question about why we have no telescope images of the lunar landers on the moon (it’s because of the physics of light - no telescope, no matter how large, on Earth can resolve objects on the moon smaller than a few meters. We HAVE now photographed the landers from lunar orbit (much closer) using the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter).
Earlier in my career, I worked for Martin Marietta, before it merged with Lockheed. We worked on projects that spanned the gamut from the space shuttle orbiter, to the Galileo Jupiter probe, to the MX/“Peacekeeper” ICBM, to the early stages of Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative, to “special programs” (which I can’t discuss), to many others. So I know just a little bit about that of which I speak.
I also worked for many years for Denver International Airport (DEN), and I’m very well aware of the many (completely ridiculous) conspiracy theories circulating about that airport. The claims about DEN run the gamut, “It’s really designed to be a prison camp for the new world order”, “They built extra buildings and runways to be used to fly prisoners in, and those are covered with a layer of dirt until needed”, “The weird art in the terminal is a secret message signaling the dark new world order purposes behind the airport”, “There are secret levels below the airport that house aliens”, and that “The main terminal great hall exists to serve as a landing site for UFOs.” I know first-hand how IDIOTIC all of those claims are, yet they persist and it is impossible to convince the “true believers” otherwise. I was all over that site throughout its construction, so I know EXACTLY what is there, and what is not.
Yet I’ve heard very serious and sincere-sounding people claim the most ridiculous things since. I heard one guy claim that his brother worked on the airport construction, and that he swore that they built secret tunnels running from the airport to points all over the Denver area, including one that supposedly extended about 30 miles to the University of Denver. The airport does have multiple levels of tunnels, but one set of tunnels carries the people movers to the concourses, another carries the vehicular traffic and the baggage system, and a third accommodates utilities.
I also remember very serious-sounding people claiming that a “keypad” near the south windows of the terminal was a “secret” control mechanism to open the glass and allow spaceships to glide into the great hall. Um… that “keypad” was nothing more than a wooden plaque on the end of an arm extending upward from the airport’s time capsule. The “keypad” they claimed to see was just braille printing that told blind people what was in the time capsule.
And one of the best ones of all was perpetrated by good old Jesse Ventura. When his show about conspiracies was on the air, Jesse did a show about DEN. One moment that stood out was he and his partner driving one of the airport roads and passing a huge pile of crumbled concrete. Jesse made a big deal of it, along with spooky background music, and speculated that it had something to do with construction of the “underground base.” He said that it made no sense for an airport to have so much concrete piled up, and seemed sure that it was evidence of something strange and sinister.
I knew exactly where they were and what they were actually seeing. It was nothing more than concrete that had been removed from the runways during pavement rehab projects. A number of years ago, a problem was discovered with concrete not only at DEN but in other projects around the country. Some concrete was found to be contaminated with a silica-based material that would cause pockets within the concrete to turn to a jelly-like consistency, weakening it. Over a period of several years, DEN replaced the concrete on several runways and placed the old concrete where Jesse saw it, to await recycling.
It’s so easy to spew baseless conspiracy theories, but takes so much time and effort to dispel them, because reality is usually complex. That doesn’t mean that all conspiracy theories are false, however. We all know of several very real and provable conspiracies recently, from the deep state attempt to derail Trump’s presidency (really a soft coup), to the “vaccine” debacle, to obvious election fraud. Just don’t let the fact that there ARE some real conspiracies lead you into accepting foolish theories about other things that are not true.
You got stuck on guilt by association.
I am not asking you to believe dozens of conspiracy theories of various types.
I am asking you to do some serious homework on the logistics of the Apollo missions.
Keep it simple.
Keep it doable.
You can do this.
I am asking you to do some serious homework on the logistics of the Apollo missions.
I mentioned other examples because the same broken thought process almost always causes those who believe the “fake moon landing” theory to believe the others as well. The problem with rebutting false conspiracy theories (with the caveat that, as I said, some theories are true) is that the false theories are based upon such flawed and impenetrable reasoning. If you dispute the claims, then YOU are just part of the conspiracy and are of course lying (or you’ve just been brainwashed by those behind the conspiracy). So there is never any rational debate because the conspiracy theorists have hermetically sealed their beliefs in an airtight container.
The persistence of this nonsense is now causing a whole new generation of young people to adopt these and even more absurd theories, falsely believing that they have been let in on the “real truth.” There are tons of YouTube videos, most by young college-aged kids, spouting foolish stuff like “the Earth is flat” (I wish I was making that one up), “9/11 was an inside job”, or possibly the stupidest and most pointless one I’ve yet seen, “Airliners don’t really burn jet fuel, that’s just a lie.” These kids, having no history with these old theories, think they just invented them, and talking about them gives them a sense of being smarter than everyone else, of being an “insider” who is privy to “hidden truth.”
It’s bad enough that they’re constantly indoctrinated with leftist woke BS, but adding to that problem by filling their heads with false conspiracy nonsense is just greasing the rails on the descent into a new dark age.
And when I talk about how impenetrable these beliefs are, there is no better example than the completely absurd “chemtrail” nonsense. As a pilot and aviation professional, I KNOW FOR SURE that what certain people constantly describe as “spraying” is just good old water vapor from contrails. But no matter how obvious the actual truth, the believers in this theory will not listen to anyone except a tiny group of self-proclaimed “experts” who tell them what they want to hear. It’s a template for the same behavior in reaction to rebuttals to other false theories.
Back on task here:
Take a look at the lunar module:
https://www.aulis.com/lm_problem.htm
https://www.aulis.com/csm-lm_orbit.htm
https://www.aulis.com/apollo17_ascent.htm
The navigation computer on the lunar module:
https://www.aulis.com/pascal.htm
The lunar module could not have accomplished its mission.
The technology did not exist at that time.
That is science.
Affirmative Action strikes again.
The technology did not exist at that time.
That is science.
Oh good grief. The self-appointed “experts” whose scribbling you cite are nobodies with resumes that read exactly like some similar “experts” I faced in court when I worked for the airport. I represented the airport as the client representative in a number of civil suits against the airport. Some involved homeowners who were making inverse condemnation claims due to aircraft overflights and aircraft noise. These homeowners were in several cases approached by self-proclaimed “experts” who they unfortunately hired. Much of the evidence in these cases involved highly technical acoustic science and the technical details of acoustic measurements. These guys put together very impressive sounding resumes, and in at least one case had legitimate credentials in certain aspects of acoustics, yet their expert reports and testimony on the stand were a combination of utter misunderstanding of the science specific to the case and a number of just bald-faced lies to cover up their ignorance. One of them was pontificating on the stand when our attorney just shredded him on cross examination. To the uninitiated layperson, and probably to the homeowner who hired him, he sounded highly knowledgeable, throwing out reams of impressive-looking charts and graphs, but in reality he was just spewing utter BS. It was so bad that even though we knew we had already won the case, our attorney kept drilling him on cross (at the risk of annoying the judge) because she just wanted to make sure that no one would be scammed by him again. He was a complete joke, yet I’ve seen him pop up since on a Discovery Channel UFO documentary, cited in that case as an “expert” on radar data (he is most certainly not that either - his real expertise was working on tape recorder technology for AGFA).
You have to be very careful who you trust online, especially self-appointed “experts” you’ve never heard of before and who have no reputable track record. As for the moon landing, just consider several well-known, globally-acknowledged, indisputable facts:
We have the testimonies of the twelve astronauts who walked on the moon, as well as six who remained in the command module, plus the Apollo 13 astronauts who didn’t land, but orbited the moon and those in the earlier missions that orbited as well. Of course, I know…they’re all just lying, right?
Then we have all of the moon rocks that were brought back and which have been examined and deemed authentic by laboratories around the world.
Apollo 11 left a laser reflector behind on the moon that is often used now to bounce lasers off the moon to measure its precise distance. That’s impossible without an artificial reflector placed on the surface.
The Lunar Reconnaissance orbiter has now taken photographs of the lunar module bases remaining at several of the Apollo landing sites as well as the rovers, their tracks, and even the trails of astronaut footprints.
It’s really ridiculous, frankly, that we’re even having this discussion.
Dig deeper my FRiend.
The impossible cannot be made possible by wishing it so.
The tech just did not exist at that time.
The impossible cannot be made possible by wishing it so.
The tech just did not exist at that time.
You didn’t respond to a single specific that I mentioned, just replied with more meaningless generalities. I think you’re willfully blind and being deceived by nothing more than clueless morons online who are seeking attention as “experts.” I’ve seen it many times.
It was impossible—yup that is a generality.
It also happens to be true.
It also happens to be true.
Says you, whoop-de-do. Prove it. You do realize you’re arguing EXACTLY like a liberal does. They are immune to factual details, only want to spew unsupported generalities, and stubbornly refuse to respond to specific rebuttals. All emotion, no debate.
A real conservative is committed to the objective truth. There is no question about the truth in this matter. Americans landed on the moon six times, brought back hundreds of pounds of lunar rocks, installed laser reflector that anyone can use to bounce a laser off the moon, and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has photographed the landers, rovers, rover tracks, and trails of astronaut footprints at the landing sites. Those facts represent just the tip of the factual iceberg. What say you?
I know, “It’s fake because I say so.”
Good point.
I looked at it and I was petrified that they would say they were going to land the first Tranny on the moon. Fortunately, that isn't true. Plus I heard that America's best known tranny is NOT interested in going.
Thank you for trying to inject some intelligence into the conversation. But the trouble is you may actually think the other side believes their own bull****.
Let me use this as an example. If someone tells me that they believe the Earth is flat, my first inclination is not to think that they need to be taught that the Earth is round, it’s that they need to be taught that deceit is a terrible long-term strategy.
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