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To: woodpusher
Without resorting to the 70+ years and more later revisionist reinterpretation by jurists who were not privy to the construction and adoption of the UnitedStates Constitution, WILL YOU PLEASE coherently answer WHY the Founders found it necessary to distinguish between natural born Citizens and just anyone born here? No more extraneous bullSchiff PLEASE!!
75 posted on 01/14/2024 12:33:18 AM PST by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: A strike

The gas-lighters here all are just ignoring your repeated direct question to them. Because the truthful answer from this history of the constitutional convention as to WHY the “natural born Citizen” term is in the Presidential Elibility Clause defeats their gas-lighting arguments.

For those here that want to know the WHY the “natural born Citizen” term was put into the Presidential Eligibility Clause in our U.S. Constitution due to a letter from John Jay (who became the nation’s first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court) to George Washington (the President of the Constitutional Convention in the summer of 1787), that the Team Obama Obots and other Progressive Movement actors and social engineers here are unwilling to talk about, i.e., John Jay’s recommendation to George Washington in that letter, ... and directly answer to “A Strike”’s question of WHY, read: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf


83 posted on 01/14/2024 11:21:40 AM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: A strike
answer WHY the Founders found it necessary to distinguish between natural born Citizens and just anyone born here?

The Founders of 1776 are not relevant. The Framers of 1787 found it convenient to write a Constitution and consolidate the existing 13 rules of naturalization to one Federal rule. As they were creating a much more powerful central government, they found it convenient to protect against alien born persons attaining control of the U.S. government or armed forces.

The Hamilton Plan phrased it in the simple English of a non-lawyer. "No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States. The lawyers used the legal term of art from the English law, natural born. A natural born subject or citizen is one who becomes a subject or citizen at birth, as opposed to any time after birth.

They did not, as you say, distinguish between natural born citizens and just anyone born here. They distinguished between those born aliens and those born citizens. The only ones born here and not born citizens are those born to a parent who enjoys immunity from our laws, such as an accredited diplomat. In that case the child has derivitive immunity and is considered to have been born in the sovereign territory of the parent.

Naturalization is a legal process for aliens that occurs only at some time subsequent to birth. Natural born citizens are those who acquire citizenship at birth due to the circumstances of their birth.

123 posted on 01/16/2024 10:16:10 AM PST by woodpusher
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