Posted on 12/25/2023 7:47:47 PM PST by marcusmaximus
In a significant development in the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia, the Ukrainian Air Force successfully targeted and destroyed the Russian landing ship Novocherkassk. The military action took place in the early hours of December 26, in the port of Feodosia, located in the occupied territory of Crimea. The event was announced by the Ukrainian Air Force Commander, Mykola Oleshchuk, and signifies a strategic blow to the Russian military’s capabilities in the region.
The Novocherkassk, a large landing ship, represents a significant asset in the Russian Navy. Its destruction likely involved the use of Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missiles. This loss underscores the continued hostilities and military engagements in the disputed area of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014 but is still considered by Ukraine and much of the international community as Ukrainian territory.
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Except your Orc buddies took Marinka (Maryinka) months ago. Just catching up with the news, or recycling an old conquest to make it new again?
>> Now, if the west does not help Ukraine, tell me what is going to happen the next time a small country ends up with a few nukes? And don’t tell me it cant happen — it already did... This is the kind of stuff that leads to a very destructive WWIII.
So you deem it wise to fight Russia by proxy because you’re concerned about some fantasy nuclear war caused by some vague unnamed players who somehow get nukes? Seriously?
What about the “kind of stuff” that has NATO fighting an ACTUAL proxy war with American and British weapons against an ACTUAL nuclear power RIGHT NOW? You don’t think that Britain’s destruction of Russia’s capital warships — and make no mistake, Ukraine by itself NEVER could destroy those ships — could never provoke a nuclear response and “a very destructive WWIII”?
I share your concern about avoiding nuclear conflict but the Euro-American globalist deep state provocation of Russia is a hell of a lot more dangerous than the fabulist worry you outlined as a good reason to beat them down.
KAYBOOMSKI! And down goes another Russian Black Sea navy ship.
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The explosion on the Russian Ropucha-class landing after the Ukrainian missile strike last night was so powerful that a large piece of the ship’s hull was found 650 meters away from the port in the central parts of town.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1739641294815707466
^^^^^^^^ With a 11 second video showing this large piece. Rooskie dumbasses must have had ammo and explosives stashed on board.
That is even younger than Russia’s newest and most advanced aircraft carrier.
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British MI6 used Ukraine pilot to sink Russian landing ship. Good move, maybe Ukraine can prevent Putin from grabbing Odessa.
Ukraine explicitly gave up the nukes in their possession in return for recognition as a sovereign nation. Neither Russia NOR the United States were willing to let Ukraine retain those weapons. If you're referring to the Budapest Memorandum as a "guarantee", it was anything but; extant records from that time explicitly show that the United States were not putting a guarantee of military assistance on the table. (This is also notwithstanding that the Memorandum in question also said there would be no attempts at violating Ukraine's political and economic integrity, and the West's hands certainly aren't clean in that respect.)
At any rate, the Memorandum's applicability is somewhat dubious after Ukraine's government was overthrown during Euromaidan, and the terms of the Memorandum itself would have been superseded by actual treaties like Minsk I and Minsk II.
Fast forward a few years and Russia takes Crimea.
Two decades is "a few years"?
Now, if the west does not help Ukraine,
If the West had not "helped" Ukraine, Russia and Ukraine would have agreed to a ceasefire within months of Russia's initial invasion. (Thank Boris Johnson for convincing Zelensky to not negotiate.)
And they will look at the history of Ukraine and think "western promises are worthless".
I think we already proved that with the case of Libya and Muammar Gaddafi. After the Iraq War, he decommissioned his own weapons programs and desired greater economic/military cooperation with the West, eventually getting to the point that Libya was no longer a state sponsor of terrorism. Yet, in 2011, NATO air strikes and a NATO-enforced no-fly zone signalled the death knell for Gaddafi following the Libyan Civil War. Years later, Libya is still a dumpster fire.
I think that incident, more than anything else, would have told other nations that getting rid of their own weapons programs to appease the West would not guarantee their help (as not even a decade had elapsed between Gaddafi decommissioning those weapons and Gaddafi getting ousted).
More than likely a skeleton crew given the fact that the ship has not been operational for about a year.
Doubt the Russian ship has undergone the extensive PM and retrofitting the U.S. carrier fleet does. The point is that this attack is not some strategic victory that will affect the outcome of the war.
No doubt the ship was targeted for propaganda value. Ukraine needs some token victory to keep the money flowing. The vaunted counteroffensive was a dismal failure.
See my post #91.
Post 91 doesn’t say anything.
The 370-foot-long ship that Ukraine claimed to have sunk on Tuesday, the Novocherkassk, is designed to land troops and vehicles during amphibious assaults. It can carry 10 tanks and 340 personnel. The ship’s regular crew is 87 people. Ukraine’s military had previously claimed to have damaged it in May during another attack.
Sounds similar to a U.S. LSD that we used during Vietnam. I served on an LPH off the coast of Vietnam. We operated with two LSDs. We had over a thousand marines aboard the LPH while there were smaller numbers of troops on the LSDs.
The LSD’s landed troops and artillery along with other equipment on the coast while we used helicopters to land troops behind the enemy as part of vertical envelopment.
The Russian ship appears to be used primarily for logistical support.
Neither does your post #86.
Sure it did, it said a whole lot to correct the impression that was intended by the post it was responding to.
“That is even younger than Russia’s newest and most advanced aircraft carrier.
Doubt the Russian ship has undergone the extensive PM and retrofitting the U.S. carrier fleet does. The point is that this attack is not some strategic victory that will affect the outcome of the war.
No doubt the ship was targeted for propaganda value. Ukraine needs some token victory to keep the money flowing. The vaunted counteroffensive was a dismal failure.
” The point is that this attack is not some strategic victory that will affect the outcome of the war.”
Well, alone it won’t.
“No doubt the ship was targeted for propaganda value.”
Maybe; maybe not. But to use the fact of its destruction for propaganda is to be expected; as this war is all about propaganda, from both sides.
Don’t be distracted by shiny objects. Here is a real problem:
KYIV, Dec 26 (Reuters) - Text of a draft law posted on the website of Ukraine’s parliament late on Monday proposed lowering the age of those who can be mobilized for combat duty to 25 from 27.
The proposed change comes as Ukraine’s 22-month-old battle against Russia drags on. On Sunday, Ukraine and Russia exchanged claims over downed military aircraft, and on Monday Ukraine denied Russia’s claim that its forces had seized the regional centre Maryinka in eastern Ukraine.
The draft text detailed which Ukrainian citizens would be subject to enrolment for military registration of conscripts and said it would apply to those “who have reached the age of 25.”
An explanatory note signed by Defence Minister Rustem Umerov summarized key provisions of the draft law, saying they included the “change of conscription age from 27 to 25 years.”
President Volodymyr Zelenskiy told his end-of-year news conference on Dec. 19 that the military had proposed mobilising 450,000-500,000 more Ukrainians, but that it was a “highly sensitive” issue that the military and government would discuss before deciding whether to send the proposal to parliament.
Zelenskiy, who has yet to back the proposal publicly, said on Dec. 19 that he wanted to hear more arguments for mobilising additional people. “This is a very serious number,” he said.
Ukraine’s troop numbers are not known, but in the past it has been said the country has around 1 million people under arms. U.S. officials estimate that hundreds of thousands have been killed and wounded since Russia invaded Ukraine. Neither country publishes its casualty figures.
David Arakhamia, the head of Zelenskiy’s party in parliament, said the government was working on the bill at the request of the military and that it was due to be introduced on Monday.
“The military needs a solution to its problems,” he said in a post on the Telegram messaging app earlier on Monday. “Society wants to hear answers to all sensitive questions.”
Increasingly, the army has had to turn to mobilisation to fill the ranks. Viral videos have shown men snatched from the street to be conscripted, and there have been numerous corruption scandals of officials taking bribes to provide exemption. In August, Zelenskiy fired every regional recruitment chief.
Once conscripted, recruits get a few weeks of training and can then be sent to the front. Many Ukrainians say if called upon they would go to the army, but many men of conscription age who do not want to be sent to the front have spent weeks or months hiding at home, trying to avoid the roaming squads of mobilisation officers. Many join Telegram groups in which people share tips on where mobilisation officers are working on any given day.
In the summer, sources in Odesa explained a popular scheme in the city, whereby for a fee of $5,000 in cash, men who did not want to serve could receive a fake medical report suggesting serious spinal issues, with which they would be declared exempt from conscription and be allowed to leave the country.
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