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To: JonPreston

That is an excellent question, and just like the border problem is one of politics not capability, so it is in Ukraine

Since the beginning of the invasion I have wondered why the west was so hesitant to provide the needed aid to defeat the Russians and force them back to their borders

We had the weapon systems they needed, but we gave them just enough to stem the Russian advances, but not drive them back.

Would imagine the successes of Kharkiv and Kherson were as much of a surprise to them as the Russians.

Some might be attributed to the “nuclear red line”, but I think that has pretty much been dispelled. I will say that a cornered Putin might go nuclear, just as hitler would have if had the capability, but the alternative is to say to all nuclear powers NK, Iran, China, Pakistan, India…..nuclear deterrence has turned into do whatever you want…

Giving weapons like cluster and atacms, and still lack of western aircraft, after the offensive was basically spent and the tactical and operational effect they could have had at the beginning wasted shows again how militaries win wars, politicians lose wars.

If I had to come up with something I would say most in the west even after Russian setbacks and Ukrainian successes, still thought that Russia would prevail, that the best scenario was to degrade Russian military, but not so much that Putin goes nuclear.

This half in half out approach has doomed many Ukrainians and Russians to death and disability


28 posted on 12/12/2023 5:43:08 AM PST by blitz128
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To: blitz128

“This half in half out approach has doomed many Ukrainians and Russians to death and disability”

According to my uncle who served during the Korean War, the politicians tried to micro-manage that war as well.


53 posted on 12/12/2023 3:10:43 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine)
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