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To: Bigbrown

So the previous flight crew can be held accountable for statements/conversations had. I fly an aircraft that has about a 16.5 hour range, I have an incident and suddenly the previous cruise is being looked at because of the statements they made with the voice recorder? Unreal.


3 posted on 12/02/2023 6:29:57 AM PST by Bigbrown
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To: Bigbrown

Crews, not cruise!


4 posted on 12/02/2023 6:32:34 AM PST by Bigbrown
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To: Bigbrown

Yep- gonna need a good lawyer to combat attempts to link past conversations with an accident that happened the next day now evidently.

IS getting harder and harder to “prove one’s innocence” thEse days even though by law it is the prosecution that is supposed to prove guilt- not the other way around.

It seems that Now they will have an easier time “proving” guilt, and the defendant a harder time proving innocence when a prosecution takes statemts totslly out of context, from previous conversations no less tO support their charge of recklessness or whatever.


5 posted on 12/02/2023 6:36:20 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Bigbrown

Are you the guy/gal that flies over my house every morning at 0410 with all those packages?

KMHT


6 posted on 12/02/2023 6:43:10 AM PST by Laslo Fripp (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Bigbrown
I didn't know that conversations were also recorded in the black boxes. I thought it was just parametric data related to the plane's control systems.

In the cases where it seems that the pilot intentionally crashed the plane because of depression or ideological reasons, wouldn't those conversations help to elucidate why the pilot took such action?

According to Wikipedia "Suicide by pilot", intentional pilot crashes are the second leading cause of airplane crashes. That's kind of scary.

10 posted on 12/02/2023 6:57:37 AM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: Bigbrown

Does the black box continue to record after the crash? So if it isn’t recovered until 23 hours after the crash, it could all be erased?


26 posted on 12/02/2023 1:12:14 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Bigbrown
I have an incident and suddenly the previous cruise is being looked at because of the statements they made with the voice recorder? Unreal.

Is there something really wrong with that?

During an incident investigation, don't they look at prior maintenance records, turnover logs, pilot logs, etc.?

Wouldn't you want investigators to know if a prior crew encountered a similar incident and failed to note it in the logs for the next crew or submit a maintenance request?

Or maybe I've been watching too much Air Disasters on the Smithsonian Channel. I used to do some root cause analysis at my company, and that show is a primer on the investigative process.

-PJ

29 posted on 12/02/2023 1:50:57 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Bigbrown

Well, I think there is either legislation or maybe it is my particular company labor agreement that stipulates that nothing unrelated to any NTSB accident or incident report can be used against the pilots.

I could be wrong, and I am about to retire so I care even less, but that is what I recall.


32 posted on 12/02/2023 7:41:52 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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