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To: lasereye; Republican Wildcat; ansel12
What would his alleged lying about not remembering where he was at the time mean anyway? That he was on the grassy knoll shooting at JFK? Where is he supposed to have been at that moment? That story is imbecilic on multiple levels.

Let's back up for a moment. The most compelling evidence so far that the CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination is the deathbed confession of Howard Hunt, the former CIA officer, to his son, which was recorded on cassette tape. Hunt also gave some handwritten notes to his son regarding the assassination plot. The confession is summarized by the famous Rolling Stone article from April 2007:

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-last-confession-of-e-howard-hunt-76611/

Generally, if you believe Hunt's confession, then you believe the CIA was part of the assassination. If you think Hunt, or his son, is lying, then you think Oswald acted alone as the gunman. I believe Hunt's confession because it fits with other information we've discovered about the assassination. Here is one note Hunt gave to his son:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/assets/2020/11/1238.png

According to Hunt's account, the assassination order originated from LBJ. LBJ sent this order to Cord Meyer, a CIA agent whose wife had an affair with JFK. Later she was murdered, in a case that's never been solved. Hunt then drew a line to Bill Harvey, another CIA agent, and a line to David Morales, yet another CIA man and a well-known black-op specialist. And then Hunt connected to Morales' name, with a line, the framed words "French Gunman Grassy Knoll."

Hunt told his son there were two gunman in Dallas: Oswald and a "French gunman." This other gunman has been presumed to be the Corsican Mafia hitman, Lucien Sarti. The two gunman theory is consistent with JFK's bullet wounds and the impact of gunfire on the occupants of the presidential limousine in the Zapruder tape.

Also, of note, in the JFK document dump from the Trump administration six years ago, J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI director, wrote in a memo, two days after the assassination: "The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.” So we have evidence that Hoover knew the assassination plot included more than Oswald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OaWJIec-BU

Also, another important piece of evidence is the 1966 secret CIA memo that House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) discovered in 1978. It stated Hunt was acting chief of the CIA station in Mexico City at the same time Oswald visited Mexico City prior to the assassination. The memo also stated that "Hunt was in Dallas at the time of the assassination and that his presence there had to be kept secret."

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP91-00901R000500110022-0.pdf

Hunt did not tell his son he was in Dallas on the day of the assassination, but I believe he was there. Hunt told his son that he discussed the Kennedy assassination plot with Frank Sturgis, another CIA agent (who was also involved in Watergate), in a Miami hotel room. Hunt also told his son that Cord Meyer discussed the assassination plot with David Atlee Phillips, the CIA's Cuban operations chief in Miami at the time of JFK's death, and that Phillips met Oswald in Mexico City (see Rolling Stone article).

I belive Hunt was arrested by Dallas police immediately after assassination as part of the "Three Tramps." They were caught running away from the crime scene in the railyard behind the grassy knoll. I have examined the photographs of the three suspects and there is remarkable resemblance to Hunt, Sturgis, and Phillips (all CIA agents). You can examine the photographs of the three tramps and see for yourself.

So what does all this have to do with George Bush?

George Bush, in a signed affidavit on 21 September 1988, stated, "From September 1963 until February 1964 I worked at the CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY headquarters. My job responsibility was as a junior watch officer." In the sworn statement, Bush also states: "I was the junior person on duty at the time of the John F . Kennedy assassination." Got that? George Bush, himself, said he was on duty as a CIA watch officer at the time of the JFK assassination and the CIA was the conspirator of the assassination. So George Bush may have knowledge of the plot and his location during the assassination may be important.

Also, on 29 November 1963, one week after the assassination, J. Edgar Hoover wrote a memorandum, titled "ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, NOVEMBER 22, 1963" to the State Department describing the activities of "misguided anti-Castro Cubans” in Miami and how those activities relate to the JFK assassination. In the concluding paragraph, Hoover writes: "The substance of the forgoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. V.T. Forsyth of this Bureau.”

The day after the assassination, the FBI provides information of anti-Castro Cuban activities in Miami in relation to the JFK assassination to none other than George Bush! So else is in Miami? David Atlee Phillips was the CIA's Cuban operations chief in Miami. Howard Hunt lived in Miami at the time of the assassination and Hunt would later be arrested at the Watergate break-in 1972, leading a team of four Cubans. The Hoover memo established George Bush as a key figure for CIA Cuban operations in Miami and therefore, most likely had relationships with both Phillips and Hunt, who were in Dallas and directly involved in the JFK assassination.

Kitty Kelly, who was preparing Bush's biography, asked Bush where he was at the time of the JFK assassination, and Bush said he "couldn't recall." However, one hour and 15 minutes after the assassination (while on duty as a CIA watch officer), Bush called the FBI office in Houston and relayed information that James Parrot has been talking of killing the president in Houston. According to the FBI memo, prepared by SA Graham Kitchell, Bush identified himself as "President of Zapada Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas" and the FBI took the call from Tyler, Texas. According to the memo, Bush also stated that he "was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel, and return to his residence on 11-23-63."

The evidence shows that Bush was in Tyler, Texas at the time of the assassination, and that he proceeded to Dallas on the evening after the assassination. The Bush affidavit and Hoover memo can be found here:

https://aarclibrary.org/notices/Affidavit_of_George_William_Bush_880921.pdf

And the Kitchell memo is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bush_Sr_tip_on_JFK_1963.jpg

There is no direct evidence that ties George Bush to the Kennedy assassination, but there is circumstantial evidence. I believe it is more likely than not that George Bush was aware of the CIA plot to kill the president. And one more thing: check out the smirk from Bush when talks about the JFK assassination at Gerald Ford's funeral - a tell that he's lying. And George Bush suspiciously goes out of his way to remind us that the Warren Commission report is final say and authority of the JFK assassination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOkTtpzoulc

169 posted on 11/24/2023 7:29:31 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“”””Got that? George Bush, himself, said he was on duty as a CIA watch officer at the time of the JFK assassination””””

That was George William Bush, not George H.W. Bush, a different man that the Nation magazine got wrong.


171 posted on 11/24/2023 7:42:57 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
The evidence shows that Bush was in Tyler, Texas at the time of the assassination, and that he proceeded to Dallas on the evening after the assassination.

No the evidence shows that Bush claimed to have been calling from Tyler, TX. It doesn't prove that he was there. There was no caller ID as such in 1963.
172 posted on 11/24/2023 7:54:57 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman; Republican Wildcat; ansel12
I'm not discussing CIA involvement in the assassination. I'm discussing the specific allegations about George H.W. Bush.

So I went to this link that you provided:

https://aarclibrary.org/notices/Affidavit_of_George_William_Bush_880921.pdf

That affidavit was by someone named GEORGE WILLIAM BUSH (as we can tell from the link itself)

Kitty Kelly, who was preparing Bush's biography, asked Bush where he was at the time of the JFK assassination, and Bush said he "couldn't recall."

However, one hour and 15 minutes after the assassination (while on duty as a CIA watch officer), Bush called the FBI office in Houston and relayed information that James Parrot has been talking of killing the president in Houston. According to the FBI memo, prepared by SA Graham Kitchell, Bush identified himself as "President of Zapada Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas" and the FBI took the call from Tyler, Texas. According to the memo, Bush also stated that he "was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel, and return to his residence on 11-23-63."

I did a quick search. I can't verify that Kelly's book has any such a quote, which is apparently fabricated. I found this review of the Kelly's book.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/09/how-to-read-kitty-kelley.html

This is the only part where the review mentions the Kennedy assassination:

Page 213; 347: H.W. as Oliver Stone—hours after the Kennedy assassination, Bush phones the FBI and tells them about a 24-year-old Bircher who he says plotted to kill the president. The man is later cleared. As CIA director, for reasons no one quite understands, Bush demands to see many of the agency’s assassination files.

So Bush apparently did call the FBI about a Bircher. But not as a CIA watch officer. He was not a CIA watch officer. The idea that he had a job as a CIA watch officer, a low level job, while simultaneously running a business, is mentally retarded. Nor would a higher level CIA job make any sense. Someone does not run a business and work as a CIA employee.

It's well known that Kelly is a fabricator anyway. The book was written to block George Bush from being reelected in 2004. She has often put made up quotes in her books. But I don't believe any such a quote is even in there.

I assume most of the rest of what you wrote (about the CIA) is made up or has key facts changed, but as I said I'm not discussing the question of CIA involvement.

183 posted on 11/25/2023 1:22:50 PM PST by lasereye
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