Lesbian couple learns that draining bank accounts for IVF doesn’t guarantee a child

Live Action News ^ | November 22, 2023 | Cassy Fiano-Chesser

[drSteve78]

“would be a lot more easier for each of these women to get pregnant if her partner had a penis. Just saying.”

For thousands of years, it’s not rocket science.

[drSteve78]

good grief!!!!

Thanks! Not going to look.

[drSteve78]

pumpkin with a hole in it.

Probably the one on the left. Just sayin.

[MinorityRepublican]

Steph and Kayla on their wedding day. (Supplied)

[jy8z]

Country boys know watermelons are better.

[NorthMountain]

Is that death?

It's death due to natural causes.

Shit happens, man. Deal with it.

[NorthMountain]

When we say "beginning at conception," should that literally mean when the ovum and sperm meet in the fallopian tube

Yes. That is when two gametes join to become a zygote. It's basic biology that you should have learned in High School.

Follow the science.

[Captain Peter Blood]

My question was it the same person trying with IVF? So if one woman could not make it work did her partner try instead?

[Political Junkie Too]

There is no point in being snarky about it.

I wasn't being disrespectful with you.

-PJ

[Waverunner]

Obviously the sperm determined that it was a very scary uterus that wasn’t friendly to males taking up residence.

[NorthMountain]

Snark or not ...

It’s still basic biology.

[Political Junkie Too]

And I'm suggesting that what separates "life" from subdivided cells is the attachment to the mother.

That's when the "spark" happens. That's when it moves from biology to theology.

-PJ

[roving]

Like an idiot, I looked.

[alexander_busek]

While I agree with you in principle, I often ask what happens when a zygote (a fertilized ovum) is flushed from a woman's body (without her even knowing) before it matures into an embryo and attaches to the woman's womb? Is that death? Is that abortion? Is that murder?

Not only in principle, but in actual fact, when a spermatozoön fuses with an ovum, thus creating a zygote, that represents a new human being.

If the zygote is then, for any reason, expelled from the mother's body, it dies.

If that expulsion was intentional, it is murder (though, depending upon the exact circumstances, it might be nigh impossible to prove in an earthly Court of Law).

That is all.

Class dismissed!

Regards,

[alexander_busek]

A lesbian couple seeking to become parents have spoken out about the cost involved with IVF, saying that they have spent over $30,000 since 2020 trying to get pregnant.

I'm sure that the first few rounds were paid for by their govt.-mandated health insurance - i.e., the tax-payers.

Regards,

[alexander_busek]

And I'm suggesting that what separates "life" from subdivided cells is the attachment to the mother. That's when the "spark" happens. That's when it moves from biology to theology.

So, what is the theological basis for your assertion that it isn't a living human being prior to implantation?

Please cite chapter and verse.

Regards,

[gitmo]

Hezekiah 4:3 perhaps?

[Political Junkie Too]

I'm not citing chapter and verse, I'm replying to the comment "According to traditional Christian views..."

Like I said, it is a thought exercise. What's wrong with the thought that "life" begins with bonding with the mother? Without that, the fertilized egg will die 100% of the time. Is that really life?

-PJ

[alexander_busek]

Like I said, it is a thought exercise. What's wrong with the thought that "life" begins with bonding with the mother?

Because it is an inherently flawed thought experiment.

1. Would it be equally valid to posit that "life" begins when the newborn "first opens its eyes?" There are, after all, numerous mentions in the Bible and other "traditional Christian texts" to "first seeing the light of the world." Anything "wrong" with that? Why?

Without that, the fertilized egg will die 100% of the time. Is that really life?

2. Okay, so how about defining the "beginning of life" with the first breath the newborn takes? After all, without that, the newborn will die 100% of the time.

"Attachment," as you call it, is a purely arbitrary point in time! There is nothing "magical" or "special" about it!

You can see that when you substitute various other points in time. It then becomes apparent that they are all arbitrary!

From a merely human point of view, seeing a child open its eyes, suck at its mother's breast, etc. are confirmations that it is, indeed, alive. But that is merely because our meagre human senses and sensibilities are limited.

Regards,

[silverleaf]

“ we do not know the day or the hour” of a natural death or

Unless we made an appointment for a termination or took drugs supposed to expel the fetus within given hours or days

See the difference