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Update from Ukraine | Ruzzia Failed near Vuhledar | Meat attacks continue | Ukraine holds
Youtube.com ^ | 11-2-2023 | Denys Davydov

Posted on 11/02/2023 7:05:07 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: Reno89519

Gotta get the cut from Draft Dodger Davydov’s propaganda.


41 posted on 11/03/2023 3:37:44 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Zelensky Advisor Admits Gov’t Officials ‘Stealing Like No Tomorrow’ as Biden Pushes for Billions More to Ukraine

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/10/31/zelensky-advisor-admits-govt-officials-stealing-like-no-tomorrow-as-biden-pushes-for-billions-more-to-ukraine/

No more American Tax Dollars For Ukraine.


42 posted on 11/03/2023 5:27:28 AM PDT by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Someone is failing in Ukraine, and it ain't Russia Reverand Mother.

Don't believe me? Fine - maybe listen to the top military commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Ukraine’s Top General Concedes No ‘Deep and Beautiful Breakthrough’ Will Come in Ukraine’s Counteroffensive.

General Valery Zaluzhny, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), has conceded Ukraine’s long-anticipated counter-offensive has “most likely” failed, with his men having advanced only a little over ten miles in months.

“Just like in the First World War we have reached the level of technology that puts us into a stalemate,” he said, adding there “will most likely be no deep and beautiful breakthrough.”

What's the point of wrecking the dollar to continue this pathetic war? Time to force a negotiated settlement and America to work on American problems for a while.
43 posted on 11/03/2023 5:29:29 AM PDT by Vlad0
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To: tennmountainman
--- "Zelensky Advisor Admits Gov’t Officials ‘Stealing Like No Tomorrow’ as Biden Pushes for Billions More to Ukraine....
"Corruption is uncontrollable. It has long been a “Putin talking point” that Ukraine's government was shot through with corruption. And yet Zelensky has been getting an earful about exactly that from its U.S. and NATO allies, who don't want to see their billions of dollars in aid disappear into the pockets of corrupt officials. Zelensky has taken some actions, like the sacking of his Minister of Defense Oleksiy Reznikov for corrupt procurement practices."

In Zelensky: TIME may be on his side, but real time, isn't Responsible Statecraft, 1 November 2023

"The article cited unnamed members of Zelensky's inner circle describing despondency at the lack of battlefield progress, the inability to curb corruption in Ukraine and the president becoming more isolated in his belief that Kyiv can still prevail. In response to the sentiments expressed in the piece, a former Ukrainian soldier told Newsweek: 'It's time for Zelensky to admit reality, stop being in denial, and act accordingly,' while a former British diplomat denied Western public support for Ukraine was on the wane and said that 'wobbliness in wartime is usual'."

In The Isolation of Volodymyr Zelensky Newsweek, 31 October 2023

Ukraine Makes Its Biggest Wartime Leadership Shakeup Yet Time Magazine, 4 September 2023

'Where Is the Money?' Military Graft Becomes a Headache for Ukraine New York Times, 4 September 2023

From the beginning of this year....

Corruption scandals continue to sweep Ukraine's government Time Magazine, 24 January 2023

From more than nine years ago....

Corruption Still Plagues Ukraine as West Pumps in Aid Time Magazine, 1 April 2014

You write, "No more American Tax Dollars For Ukraine." Indeed.

Corruption has been the theme for more than a decade, and front and center in this has been the Burisma-Biden connection, which is decorated with other names -- Pelosi, Kerry and Romney. Corruption.

As Ukrainian as American pie baked in DC, by Democrats and RINOs. And Ukrainians.

44 posted on 11/03/2023 6:02:39 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Reno89519; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Sacajaweau
Reno89519: "Have you thought of shifting your focus to Israel and Gaza where Americans have died, been raped, and are held hostage?
Maybe support the US for a bit."

The biggest problem Israelis have is not so much Hamas as it is our own Democrats holding them back.

If the US will simply do for Israel what we've already pledged to do, they should be fine.

Ukraine is a very different story because, for one thing, Vlad the Invader's Russians are a far more potent enemy than are the Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

What Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and many other small countries have in common is, they are friendly nations threatened by aggressive tyrants whenever the US appears weak, timid and/or corrupted.

45 posted on 11/03/2023 6:15:07 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: bimboeruption; UMCRevMom@aol.com
bimboeruption to UMCRevMom@aol.com: "You pray for Biden’s money laundering operation.
I’ll pray that our Free Republic isn’t destroyed from within by traitors like you."

That's just insane pro-Russian trash-talk.

The truth is, Democrats' weakness is provoking attacks and threats against US friends around the world, from Ukraine to Israel to Taiwan and elsewhere.
Nothing good happens when we are weak and defeated.

46 posted on 11/03/2023 6:22:57 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: Prince of Space; UMCRevMom@aol.com
Prince of Space: "So Time Magazine was lying when it published their bombshell piece that said Ukraine was losing badly and Zelenskyy was deluded?
They’re a major player in the democrat-controlled media, so it’s not a right wing source claiming this."

Leftist Time Magazine lies about everything, they always have, always will, it's there modus operandi.

In this particular case the Time author interviewed a Ukrainian opposition candidate for president, anonymously, while describing this political opponent as someone "close to Zelenskyy".
It was like interviewing Hilary Clinton about Donald Trump and describing her as "close to Trump"!

It is a total typical Time POS hit-piece on Zelenskyy.

But it might well signal that Democrats are getting ready to do what Democrats most love to do and that is to stab America's friends in the back.


47 posted on 11/03/2023 6:35:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: ConservativeInPA
ConservativeInPA: "I pray for the kleptocracy ripping off American taxpayers.
I pray they go to hell with all Zeepers."

Then you are praying to the devil, FRiend, and you need to stop doing that.
It's bad for your soul, will make you sick in the head and heart.

48 posted on 11/03/2023 6:38:05 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

It’s not insane pro-Russian trash-talk.

It’s pro-American acclamation.

Yes, the Democrats’ weakness is causing worldwide chaos, but that doesn’t diminish the fact that revmommy posts anti-American propaganda.


49 posted on 11/03/2023 6:47:26 AM PDT by bimboeruption (Trump = The best President since Washington. )
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To: tennmountainman; UMCRevMom@aol.com
tennmountainman: "Zelensky Advisor Admits Gov’t Officials ‘Stealing Like No Tomorrow’ as Biden Pushes for Billions More to Ukraine"

It's a total lie, published in Time Magazine, which took the anonymous quote from a political opposition candidate for president, without naming him, but claiming he was "close to Zelenskyy".

Right... he was as "close to Zelenskyy" as Hilary Clinton is to Donald Trump, and just as reliable.

Today nobody knows the real truth of this matter, but for certain, Republicans in Congress must insist on strict accounting for aid to be certain it's not abused or corruptly misused.

50 posted on 11/03/2023 6:47:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: Vlad0; UMCRevMom@aol.com
Vlad0: "What's the point of wrecking the dollar to continue this pathetic war?
Time to force a negotiated settlement and America to work on American problems for a while."

That is, for sure, Russian propaganda, straight from the Kremlin's sewer pipe.

The real truth is that aid for Ukraine has no effect on any problem caused by Democrat policies, and eliminating all such aid will in no way improve those problems.

The only thing which can ever improve problems caused by Democrats is to first eliminate Democrats from positions of political power or influence.
Losing in Ukraine will only make that more difficult, imho.

51 posted on 11/03/2023 6:54:17 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time; UMCRevMom@aol.com
Worldtraveler once upon a time quoting about Time Magazine: "The article cited unnamed members of Zelensky's inner circle describing despondency at the lack of battlefield progress, the inability to curb corruption in Ukraine and the president becoming more isolated in his belief that Kyiv can still prevail.
In response to the sentiments expressed in the piece, a former Ukrainian soldier told Newsweek: 'It's time for Zelensky to admit reality, stop being in denial, and act accordingly,' while a former British diplomat denied Western public support for Ukraine was on the wane and said that 'wobbliness in wartime is usual'.""

The Time Magazine article is a typical dishonest hit-piece in which the author quoted an opposition political candidate, anonymously -- a man who no longer lives in Ukraine but wants to run for President -- as claiming Ukrainians are corrupt.

What's certainly true is that Zelenskyy has fired several top officials for corruption, something which has yet to happen in the US government and may need to wait for the 2024 elections for a thorough house-cleaning of our own government.

52 posted on 11/03/2023 7:03:59 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: bimboeruption
bimboeruption: "Yes, the Democrats’ weakness is causing worldwide chaos, but that doesn’t diminish the fact that revmommy posts anti-American propaganda."

Nonsense, truth is neither pro- nor anti-American, it's simply true regardless.

For example, it's not anti-American to report factually that we now have a weak and corrupt Democrat administration.

It is absolutely anti-American to claim that Democrat corruptions mean the USA must now abandon our friends in the world and turn them over as slaves to a new Axis of Evil -- Russia's Vlad the Invader, CCP's Xi-snake, NoKo's Little Kim and Iran's Moolah Mullahs.

Our weakness, corruption and political divisions embolden our enemies, terrify our friends and will not produce anything except a very worse off world, and us with it.

We will have another opportunity to set things right again in 2024.
Until then we have to work with what we have.

53 posted on 11/03/2023 7:16:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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54 posted on 11/03/2023 12:35:04 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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To: BroJoeK
ME: "What's the point of wrecking the dollar to continue this pathetic war?
Time to force a negotiated settlement and America to work on American problems for a while."

BroJoek: That is, for sure, Russian propaganda, straight from the Kremlin's sewer pipe.

Well the destruction of the dollar isn't something I need to consult Russian sources to learn about, I see it every time I go shopping, price something I want to buy, or pay for services like plumbing. Our own U.S. Government is measuring how fast and how bad it is. Of course: they lie. They are massively underestimating it for their own reasons. But even they have it pushing 4% at the moment.

Then there is the issue of the US dollar as the world reserve currency, a position it has held since WW2. The War in Ukraine (and the other actions taken in support of it, especially the various sanction packaged imposed on Russia by the Biden Administration) are making the dollar a far less trustworthy currency for international trade and banks to rely on.

So, now we're seeing more and more attempts to develop alternative solutions, including bi-lateral trade in local currencies, an alternate to the SWIFT system (which Biden foolishly weaponized against Russia), alternatives to the IMF, etc.

This isn't Russian propaganda, this is what's visibly happening all around us.

Forbes: Is Inflation Killing Your Business? What To Do To Survive

Reuters:What is a BRICS currency and is the U.S. dollar in trouble?

Business Insider: China and Russia are working on homegrown alternatives to the SWIFT payment system. Here's what they would mean for the US dollar.

BroJoek: The truth is that aid for Ukraine has no effect on any problem caused by Democrat policies, and eliminating all such aid will in no way improve those problems.

Me: It does have an effect, a large one. The links above tell part of the story. So far Biden has spent $114 Billion (with a B) and he wants another $60 this year. There is no end it site, next year another $100 billion maybe. Last year the US Deficit was $2.8 Trillion. So, my suggestion, would cut out the next $280 billion to Ukraine, or slice a cool 10% off that with only one cool trick.

There are lots of other reasons to oppose the war and want it to end. That doesn't mean loving Russia or supporting Putin, it just means ending the war. Which we always do, in my lifetime almost always without winning them. So: you guys want to go the Afganistan Route: pump another trillion $$$ into Project Ukraine over the next decade. Lose more of our stockpiled weapons. Maybe lose some American soldiers, too. (So far we've lost no US military, but the longer it goes on the more like NATO and the USA will send troops).

I want to cut to the chase. Let's negotiate just like we did with the Taliban, the Syrian Sunni clerics, the Iraqi Shia tribal leaders, like we did with the Communist Vietnamese, and before that with the North Koreans.

Let's skip the part where we blow the legs off another hundred thousand Slavic men, and kill tens of thousands more of them, on either side. Let's just negotiate, and do it now.

This view is not Russian propaganda, it's cold-blooded America First common sense. I'm not Russian. I don't speak Russian. I've never been to Russia. I'm as American as apple pie and Chevrolet.

It is very disappointing so many Freepers are trapped in failed Cold War patterns of thought that they are still supporting this multifacted failure.

BroJoek: The only thing which can ever improve problems caused by Democrats is to first eliminate Democrats from positions of political power or influence. Losing in Ukraine will only make that more difficult, imho.

Project Ukraine is a Democratic project. It's enriching a lot of the most powerful Democratic families. Hunter and his partner got over $2 million from the corrupt oil compmany they "worked" for. It's intended to bolster the whole Globalist / WEF agenda, to force Europe into far left positions, to make the barrier between East and West as solid as the Iron Curtain was, all of which are Democratic / Leftist goals. The best European politicians, Victor Orban, for instance, oppose the war. They want peace negotiations now. The big war mongers are all the people who hate us, are anti-White, anti-Christian and anti-American. The German foreign policy elite. Macron. The stupid British prime-minister-of-the-month, whatever the current one's name is.

Basta! Enough!

55 posted on 11/03/2023 1:16:07 PM PDT by Vlad0
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; Widget Jr; ought-six; marcusmaximus; MeganC; tlozo; MalPearce; dfwgator; ...

Given how much this foolish war is costing Russia, Putin certainly needs to recover his activities in Africa. Perhaps he would have been wizer to exile Prigozhin to African affairs, but a different decision must have been made. And we must be alert to how it all shakes out.


56 posted on 11/03/2023 10:55:32 PM PDT by gleeaikin ( Question authority!)
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To: gleeaikin

“Old World, Young Africa”

The youth in Africa are going to change the world in a few decades:

“...In many countries, historically low birthrates are creating older, smaller populations. Caregivers in Italy, which is expected to have 12 percent fewer people by 2050, are experimenting with robots to look after the aged. The prime minister of Japan, where the median age is 48, warned in January that his society was “on the verge” of dysfunction.

Africa’s challenge is to manage unbridled growth. It has always been a young continent — only two decades ago the median age was 17 — but never on such a scale. Within the next decade, Africa will have the world’s largest work force, surpassing China and India. By the 2040s, it will account for two out of every five children born on the planet...”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/28/world/africa/africa-youth-population.html?te=1&nl=the-morning&emc=edit_nn_20231029


57 posted on 11/04/2023 6:07:42 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Vlad0; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin
Vlad0: "Well the destruction of the dollar isn't something I need to consult Russian sources to learn about, I see it every time I go shopping, price something I want to buy, or pay for services like plumbing.
Our own U.S. Government is measuring how fast and how bad it is.
Of course: they lie.
They are massively underestimating it for their own reasons.
But even they have it pushing 4% at the moment."

Post-Covid US inflation peaked around 7% in 2021, today is said to be 3.7%. Target inflation is 2%.

None of this inflation was caused by aid to Ukraine, nor will eliminating 100% of Ukraine aid reduce inflation by any measurable amount.
The reason is obvious if you think about it -- in the past 24 months US GDP totaled around $50 trillion, of which Federal spending represented circa $13 trillion of which $3 trillion was deficits, and defense spending totaled about $1.7 trillion.
Of that, total aid to Ukraine, including humanitarian and financial, was around $75 billion.
The $3 trillion in Federal deficits in the past 24 months are the root cause of high inflation.

So Ukraine aid is:

  1. 4% of US defense spending
  2. 1/2 of 1% of US Federal spending
  3. 1/7 of 1% of US GDP.
In short, Ukraine aid is a drop in the bucket, irrelevant in the larger picture of US GDP, Federal deficits and inflation rates.
Those will not be affected by eliminating all Ukraine aid.

Further, actual hardware sent to Ukraine all comes from old stockpiles of arms & ammunition which were near to their expiration and obsolescent dates, soon to be scrapped anyway.
Such money's allocated to Ukraine are actually only replenishing stockpiles we needed to replenish anyway.

Vlad0: "Then there is the issue of the US dollar as the world reserve currency, a position it has held since WW2.
The War in Ukraine (and the other actions taken in support of it, especially the various sanction packaged imposed on Russia by the Biden Administration) are making the dollar a far less trustworthy currency for international trade and banks to rely on."

It's true the US dollar is under attack by our enemies, but that is not a function of aid to Ukraine.
Rather, it's source is the same as the reason for the Ukraine war in the first place -- perceived American weakness.

Nothing emboldens our enemies and terrifies our friends more than perceived American weakness -- that's why we have Vlad the Invader's "special military operation" in Ukraine, why Iran's Moolah Mullahs launched the Hamas attack on Israel and why the CCP's Xi-snake continues to prepare for invasion of Taiwan.
Perceived American weakness is the root-cause of virtually everything bad we see in the world, including the decline of the US dollar.

Some of this is natural -- in 1945, US GDP was larger than the next six countries combined (Germany, UK, USSR, Italy, Japan & France).
Today the US is only 25% of world GDP by some measures, down to 15% by other measures and the next six countries combined out-produce the US by at least 33% (China, Germany, Japan, India, UK, France) according to one measure and more than double according to another.
So the US cannot enjoy the world dominance we once had.

But that does not mean we must now become weak, sniveling & unreliable, groveling and kowtowing to every two-bit tin-horn dictator rattling whatever sabers they hold.
If we do, you can be certain the world will soon enough become a God-awful hell-hole of waring empires and lunatic dictators, where small countries and weak peoples get conquered and destroyed.

So, we are still the Atlas which holds up the world and it's far from time for us to shrug off those responsibilities.

Vlad0: "So, now we're seeing more and more attempts to develop alternative solutions, including bi-lateral trade in local currencies, an alternate to the SWIFT system (which Biden foolishly weaponized against Russia), alternatives to the IMF, etc.
This isn't Russian propaganda, this is what's visibly happening all around us."

I will not disagree with anything bad you say about the Obama/O'Biden administration or Democrats in general.
How much permanent damage they've done, though, and how long it will take the next Republican administration to set things right again, is at least debatable.

Of course, like you, I fear the worst, but I still hope the damage is mostly superficial and can be largely repaired with the right Republican policies starting in 2025.

But regardless of which administration is in power, the US will never again dominate the world scene the way we did in the years after 1945.
From now on, we will need our allies more than ever.

Vlad0: "It does have an effect, a large one.
The links above tell part of the story.
So far Biden has spent $114 Billion (with a B) and he wants another $60 this year.
There is no end it site, next year another $100 billion maybe. Last year the US Deficit was $2.8 Trillion.
So, my suggestion, would cut out the next $280 billion to Ukraine, or slice a cool 10% off that with only one cool trick."

See my comments above -- you are exaggerating total US aid to Ukraine.
It's now about $75 billion over two years, including humanitarian and financial.
Biden's new requests for 2024 increase the total since February 2022 to $135 billion, or about $45 billion per year, on average.

US deficits over the past 24 months total circa $3 trillions of which nearly all are insane Democrat vote-buying schemes, and eliminating those would restore the economy, eliminate inflation and buttress the US dollar.
Ukraine has nothing to do with any of that.

Vlad0: "There are lots of other reasons to oppose the war and want it to end.
That doesn't mean loving Russia or supporting Putin, it just means ending the war.
Which we always do, in my lifetime almost always without winning them.
So: you guys want to go the Afganistan Route: pump another trillion $$$ into Project Ukraine over the next decade.
Lose more of our stockpiled weapons.
Maybe lose some American soldiers, too.
(So far we've lost no US military, but the longer it goes on the more like NATO and the USA will send troops)."

Well, first, the issue is not just Ukraine, it begins with Vlad the Invader's empire building project, to restore the Old Soviet or Tsarist Russian empires.
Ukraine is just one small step in that direction, and will make each new step that much more difficult for the West to defeat.

Second, Vlad the Invader is far from alone -- there is a new Axis of Evil just chomping at the bit to get started on creating world chaos for us and conquest for themselves.
They include now the CCP's Xi-snake, NoKo's Little Kim and Iran's Moolah Mullahs.
Each has their own targets of opportunity waiting to be attacked whenever the US appears weak and faltering.

Our weakness provokes attacks by bad people, only strength deters them and provides peace.
That's the real issue in Ukraine and many other countries.

As for Afghanistan in 2021, like Vietnam in 1975, it's sadly true that our Democrats delight in nothing so much as seeing the US defeated, and the more humiliatingly defeated, the more they cackle over it.
Defeat is what we get and can expect whenever we vote Democrats into national leadership.

Curiously, Vietnam long-term turned out not so bad for the USA, today they are reasonably friendly and even helpful in opposing the CCP's aggressions.
Afghanistan's long-term fate is unknowable today, but it is certain things did not need to end there so disastrously, had our Democrats wanted to achieve some level of success there.
But they didn't, because they love, love to see the US defeated and humiliated.

Vlad0: "I want to cut to the chase.
Let's negotiate just like we did with the Taliban, the Syrian Sunni clerics, the Iraqi Shia tribal leaders, like we did with the Communist Vietnamese, and before that with the North Koreans."

Yes, I think I could agree, Vlad0, if you personally begin the negotiating process by walking across the front lines in, say, Avdiivka or Bakhmut, and talk to the Russian troops there about laying down their weapons and going home.
I think that's a great idea, and believe me, I'll be right behind you (at a very safe distance) all the way, FRiend.

Vlad0: "This view is not Russian propaganda, it's cold-blooded America First common sense.
I'm not Russian.
I don't speak Russian.
I've never been to Russia.
I'm as American as apple pie and Chevrolet.
It is very disappointing so many Freepers are trapped in failed Cold War patterns of thought that they are still supporting this multifacted failure."

FRiend, you are absolutely an anti-American lunatic if you forget basic American history, recent history!
How could you possibly forget that we didn't lose the Cold War, we weren't "trapped in failed Cold War patterns of thought" -- that's insane.
We won the Cold War because of Ronald Reagan's policies of Peace through Strength.
And Reagan was the Republican, Democrats then as now were the weak-kneed, lily-livered, yellow-backed, sniveling, America hating, Russia enabling, China supporting party of "detent", meaning Cold War forever, never a US victory.

How did that basic recent history get lost in your brain, FRiend?

Vlad0: "Project Ukraine is a Democratic project.
It's enriching a lot of the most powerful Democratic families.
Hunter and his partner got over $2 million from the corrupt oil compmany they "worked" for.
It's intended to bolster the whole Globalist / WEF agenda, to force Europe into far-left positions, to make the barrier between East and West as solid as the Iron Curtain was, all of which are Democratic / Leftist goals.
The best European politicians, Victor Orban, for instance, oppose the war.
They want peace negotiations now.
The big war mongers are all the people who hate us, are anti-White, anti-Christian and anti-American.
The German foreign policy elite.
Macron.
The stupid British prime-minister-of-the-month, whatever the current one's name is."

All of that is at best exaggerated, at worst it's total nonsense.
For starters, if Hungary's Victor Orban is your ideal politician, then you have confused right-wing Europeans with conservative Americans, the key difference being Americans' devotion to our Constitution and liberties -- land of the free, home of the brave, etc.

By contrast, Victor Orban is a traditional right-wing European:

And while there might indeed be some superficial resemblances with American conservatives, there are also fundamental differences: Friend, if you consider Turkey, Iran, India, Singapore, Russia and China as models for us to emulate, then you are a very very confused and disoriented puppy, who needs to spend serious time studying western history and ethics.

As for a new Iron Curtain with Russia, it's only there because that's what Vlad the Invader wants -- for over 10 years, after 1991, Russia expressed interest in joining NATO, which would have made hostilities impossible, and eliminated all legitimate concerns about "NATO invasions" of Russia.
But Vlad the Invader chose a different path, he chose the road to hostilities by threatening nearly all of Russia's smaller neighbors and invading some of them, most notably Ukraine.

There is no legitimate excuse for what Vlad the Invader and the new Axis of Evil countries do and threaten, and the only real issue is how strongly will the rest of the world oppose and defeat them.

The fact is, the sooner the better, and if the answer is "never", then they will inevitably become our rulers.

Victor Orban with Vlad the Invader, February 2022:

58 posted on 11/04/2023 6:44:12 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

You make an excellent point but most of the putin caucus are too stupid to grasp it


59 posted on 11/05/2023 8:54:02 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: nicollo

Slava Ukraine means “Glory to Ukraine!”

This phrase became popular among Ukrainians during the Ukrainian War of Independence from 1917 to 1921. From the 1930s Slava Ukraine was used by different Ukrainian groups, as well as Ukrainian diaspora groups and refugee communities during the Cold War.

Of course in the Soviet Union the phrase was forbidden and later other Russian authorities. The phrase eventually resurfaced in Ukraine during the country’s struggle for independence in connection with the fall of the Soviet Union.

Today, during the ongoing 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine “Slava Ukraine” is used in protests to SUPPORT Ukraine around the world.

( Ukrainian: Слава Україні!, romanized : Sláva Ukrayíni!, IPA: [ˈsɫaʋɐ ʊkrɐˈjinʲi] ( listen)) is a Ukrainian national salute, known as a symbol of Ukrainian sovereignty and resistance and as the official salute of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...


60 posted on 11/07/2023 7:22:06 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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