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To: vg0va3

There’s a difference between Citizen and Natural Born Citizen.

Citizen includes all Foreign Spice Citizens whereas NBC does not.

By the way—if you have to point to positive law, including, for example, the 14th Amendment, to prove your membership in the U.S. polity, you’re a Naturalized (i.e., Foreign Spice) Citizen.

NBCs are what’s left over after all Positive Law Citizens are filtered out. In the long history of the United States, hey never had to point to positive law to prove their membership in the U.S. polity.


38 posted on 10/23/2023 4:26:27 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey

Being born in Cincinnati, OH is a natural-born citizen.

Regardless of parents’ status. He is a citizen and making a counterargument is absurd.

Why is this confusing?


84 posted on 10/23/2023 8:51:28 AM PDT by vg0va3
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To: one guy in new jersey
By the way—if you have to point to positive law, including, for example, the 14th Amendment, to prove your membership in the U.S. polity, you’re a Naturalized (i.e., Foreign Spice) Citizen.

NBCs are what’s left over after all Positive Law Citizens are filtered out. In the long history of the United States, hey never had to point to positive law to prove their membership in the U.S. polity.

Excellent way to put it. If you have to use the 14th amendment to be a citizen, you aren't a natural citizen.

Some weeks ago I actually spent some time going through the debates on the 14th amendment. The congressmen themselves describe it as a naturalization law.

88 posted on 10/23/2023 9:09:51 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: one guy in new jersey; vg0va3
By the way—if you have to point to positive law, including, for example, the 14th Amendment, to prove your membership in the U.S. polity, you’re a Naturalized (i.e., Foreign Spice) Citizen.

NBCs are what’s left over after all Positive Law Citizens are filtered out. In the long history of the United States, hey never had to point to positive law to prove their membership in the U.S. polity.

You should argue that to a court. Oh, never mind.

14A governs the citizenship status of all persons born within the territory of the United States. It has been doing so for a century and a half.

0 for 361 is not a good batting average.

BIRTHER SCORECARD (last updated 2015)

https://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/birther%20case%20list.pdf

Original decisions, total cases: 226
Birther wins: 0

Total appellate court rulings: 120+
Birther wins: 0

Total supreme court rulings: 35
Birther wins: 0

105 posted on 10/23/2023 9:52:44 AM PDT by woodpusher
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