Vivek Ramaswamy Admits in NBC News Interview His Parents Were Not U.S. Citizens When He Was Born

The Post& Email Newspaper ^ | Oct 22 2023 | CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

[JayGalt]

Arthur was born in the United States, subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and born after the 14th Amendment. IDTS

Chester Arthur was born in 1829
14th Amendment Passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later, on July 9, 1868.

[CDR Kerchner]

For more about the constitutional term “natural born Citizen” of the United States in the presidential eligibility clause of our U.S. Constitution see the following articles:

1. Read the book, “Natural Born Citizen”: http://www.kerchner.com/books/catalog.htm

2. A chart which lists and explains the five (5) Citizenship terms used in the U.S. Constitution: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-US-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same

3. Being a “born Citizen” or “Citizen at Birth” is not identically the same as a being a “natural born Citizen”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/citizen-at-birth-cab-does-not-equal-natural-born-citizen-nbc-obama-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen-of-the-usa-2/ or http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/citizen-at-birth-cab-does-not-equal.html

4. Read this essay regarding the constitutional term “natural born Citizen” and basic logic, i.e., trees are plants but not all plants are trees. “Natural born Citizens” are a subset of “born Citizens (citizens at birth)”. Adjectives mean something. All “natural born Citizens” are “born Citizens (citizens at birth) but not all “born Citizens (citizens at birth)” are “natural born Citizens”: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/of-natural-born-citizens-and-citizens-at-birth-and-basic-logic-trees-are-plants-but-not-all-plants-are-trees-natural-born-citizens-nbc-are-citizens-at-birth-cab-but-not-all-cab/

5. A Euler Diagram which logically shows the kinds of U.S. Citizens and their set and subset relationships: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2018/06/16/natural-born-citizen/

6. The “Three Legged Stool Test” for being a Natural Born Citizen: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/the-three-legged-stool-test-analogy-for-natural-born-citizenship-of-the-united-states-to-constitutional-standards/ …

7. Article II Presidential Eligibility Facts: https://www.scribd.com/document/161994312/Article-II-Presidential-Eligibility-Facts or http://kerchner.com/protectourliberty/Article2SuperPACeligibilityfacts-issuespage.pdf

8. Watch these videos (Parts I and II) by the renowned constitutional scholar Dr. Herb Titus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esiZZ-1R7e8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoaZ8WextxQ

9. Read, download, and print a PDF copy of this White Paper by CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret) about the “natural born Citizen” term and presidential eligibility clause in Article II of our U.S. Constitution here: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/The-Who-What-When-Where-Why-and-How-of-NBC-Term-in-Constitution.pdf

10. Read the dozen of legal essays and court briefs written by constitutional and citizenship expert Attorney Mario Apuzzo on being a “natural born Citizen of the United States” and the pretenders and usurpers in three major political parties (Democrat, Republican, and Socialist parties) – who invalidly claimed such birth status – at his legal blog: http://puzo1.blogspot.com

11. Read online or download and save dozens of historical papers and articles written over time, some over 200 years ago, describing what a “natural born Citizen” of the United States is to constitutional standards: https://www.scribd.com/lists/3301209/Papers-Discussing-Natural-Born-Citizen-Meaning-to-Constitutional-Standards

[CDR Kerchner]

Adjectives mean something. Born in the term tells us “When” the person became a Citizen. The further adjective “natural” tells us how one gained their citizenship, i.e., via the Laws of Nature and Natural Law, not man-made laws, acts, or treaties. The founders and framers considered simply being a “born Citizen”. However, they rejected it and chose instead the Natural Law kind of Citizen, a “natural born Citizen”. See the history of that here: Constitution Day – 17 Sep 2023: A Lesson from History. Is Being a Born Citizen of the United States Sufficient Citizenship Status to be President? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided — No It Is Not!: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/constitution-day-17-sep-2023-a-lesson-from-history-is-being-a-born-citizen-of-the-united-states-sufficient-citizenship-status-to-be-president-the-founders-and-framers-emphatically-decided-no-i/

[odawg]

Of course, the Act of 1790 was repealed, just like many others that came after it.

I refer to the Act of 1790 only to the extent that, embedded in it, is a definiton of what constitutes natural born — one born of citizen parents. Here it was applied to people born outside the country whose parents were citizens of the United States.

And I repeat myself: The natural born citizen requirement is part of the Constitution and can’t be changed unless and until it is amended by the appropriate steps of the nation. No federal judge, no Supreme Court ruling, no bill enacted by Congress can amend the Constitution.

[odawg]

“In the act it inaccurately defines “natural born citizen”.”

No, nah, it did not define the natural born citizen inaccurately. I, and millions of others, were taught by professors in college with PhDs as someone born of citizen parents.

I don’t know how that idiocy about defining natural born got started.

[CDR Kerchner]

Here is the book you are probably thinking about: https://www.iuniverse.com/en/bookstore/bookdetails/775911-Imposters-in-the-Oval-Office

To All:

List of U.S. Presidents – Eligibility under Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) or Natural Born Citizen (NBC) Clause or Seated due to Election Fraud: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/list-of-u-s-presidents-eligibility-under-article-ii-grandfather-clause-gfc-or-natural-born-citizen-nbc-clause-or-seated-due-to-election-fraud-3/

[DiogenesLamp]

Robert C. Laity doesn’t sound like the name I remember.

[woodpusher]

While Chester’s father, Reverend William Arthur, was foreign born, he had immigrated to the United States from northern Ireland when he was 18 and had become a Baptist minister.

Northern Ireland did not exist when Chester Arthur's father was born in County Antrim.

William Arthur graduated from Belfast College before coming to America. He studied law before becoming a preacher.

I did not find any material on when/if Rev William Arthur became an American citizen.

William Arthur emigrated from Ireland to Canada, not the United States. William Arthur migrated to the Province of Lower Canada on date uncertain, circa 1819-1820. Lower Canada would now be in the Province of Quebec. Chester Arthur's mother Malvina met his father while William Arthur was living in Canada.

William Arthur was naturalized 31 August 1843. Chester Arthur born 1829.

[zeugma]

Vivek Ramaswamy is NOT constitutionally eligible for the office he seeks!

I've pretty much assumed that when I first saw him. The point is moot, because he'll never get past the primary, but I do like some of his positions, and I think he'd be a useful addition to a Trump administration.

[CDR Kerchner]

Then I think it is Attorney Leo Donofrio. I don’t have a link to his book.

[CDR Kerchner]

In furtherance of my comment about “When” and “How” for the term “natural born Citizen” see this White Paper: Read, download, and print a PDF copy of this White Paper by CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret) about the “natural born Citizen” term and presidential eligibility clause in Article II of our U.S. Constitution here: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/The-Who-What-When-Where-Why-and-How-of-NBC-Term-in-Constitution.pdf

[Fury]

Re: 90 - Of course, the letter from Jay to Washington is interesting.

A detailed treatment of the natural born discussion is found at:

https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/16542/46_97YaleLJ881_April1988_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

[woodpusher]

And here is a page from a 1817 law book which specifically says that Vattel was the source for "Citizen".

Let me once again provide the title and author of that book and page.

Judge Samuel Roberts, the Court of Common Pleas of Pennsylvania, was the sole author of the book, A Digest of Select British Statutes. There were no co-authors. The book is a recitation of British Statute Law by Judge Roberts.

https://archive.org/details/digestofselectbr00robe

[taxcontrol]

To be a “natural born Citizen” of the United States one must be at least a second generation Citizen, i.e., a person born in the USA to parents who were both U.S. Citizens when their child is born in the USA

The article is incorrect. To be a NBC, one must be a citizen at the time of their birth and not need to be naturalized. This can occur via two conditions: 1) born in the United States - Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution directs that all persons born in the United States are U.S. citizens. 2) or born outside of the US but to a US citizen at time of birth. For more details see - https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-3

[Jim Noble]

So, according to your article:

My two grandfathers were born in 1893 and 1895, in Brooklyn and Meriden, CT, to four alien parents.

When the War Department registered them for the draft in 1917, both of their draft cards gave three options for citizenship: 1) Natural born; 2) Naturalized; 3) Alien.

Both were classified as natural born.

[Jim Noble]

“ prevent any American born American citizen from running for president.”

There’s nothing in the Constitution about “running for President”. That’s because there’s nothing in the Constitution about Presidential elections.

If the NBC clause were ever to be used, it would have to bar an inauguration of a person found ineligible under that clause.

[Dan Cooper]

The 35 years of age requirement in Article II, section one, clause 5 was ratified in an era when the average life expectancy was around 35 years or so.

The average life expectancy was low because of infant mortality, once you survived infancy you had a good chance of living into your 60s, 70s, and 80s. The age requirement was based on something else, probably maturity is my guess.

[one guy in new jersey]

... forty thousand Frenchmen...🤨😉

[one guy in new jersey]

Somebody’s got the receipts!!!

Well done.

D’Onofrio helpfully brought that document to the fore in 2008. This of course was after a Chet Arthur biographer had unearthed it, not necessarily knowing its import. Before that, nobody knew.

[Mr Rogers]

The two-parent born in the USA “requirement” was never there. That is based on a bad translation of Vattel made AFTER the Constitution was ratified. Vattel used ‘indigenous’ and ‘native’, not NBC.