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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Obviously, having come to my interest somewhat late in life, I’m not a Bible scholar and my interpretations are a reflection of this level of understanding.

With regards to Proverbs 16-19, I view these as things as a mirror for personal reflection and growth and see them as a gut check.

In my case, my head, heart and behavior were checking most of those boxes and I needed to change my heart and my ways.

If one takes Proverbs 16-19 to heart and attempts to live up to what is written, then one’s posts are far less likely to be deleted here and what one writes is far more likely to be received in a constructive way, allowing for dialogue instead of causing a fight.

As to Biden and our government and the things our state department and the rest require others to do in order to receive American help, we are obviously a very corrupt nation.

I can only imagine what rainbow coalition hoops countries like Ukraine must jump through in order to receive American aid and it makes me feel dirty in ways a hot shower won’t clean.

To condemn Ukraine for the things we are also doing or allowing is the kind of hypocrisy I’d rather avoid. The beam in our eyes has blinded us to our own corruption such that I am not able to criticize other nations for doing the same things we’re doing.

Personally, I feel sorry for Zelensky who, in his existential fight for his nation’s survival, must do what he must do to acquire the help he needs to fight off the Russians.

None the less, I am grateful that we, the people, and our tax dollars, humanitarian aid and military hardware are coming to the rescue of the much smaller Ukraine against its much larger neighbor Russia, our historical adversary.

Ultimately, because we have been so helpful, Ukraine has a much greater chance to shake off the endemic corruption, that has plagued Russia and all of the former Soviet states both before and since the end of the USSR, as the West becomes more intimately involved there, as is now during and will be the case after the Russian invasion.

It may be that they will be trading one form of corruption for another, though. Just look at how far we all have fallen in such a short time.

But elections have consequences and electing a better government could allow for a revival and reform here and there. For this reason, I remain hopeful.

145 posted on 10/23/2023 9:00:50 AM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: GBA
"Personally, I feel sorry for Zelensky who, in his existential fight for his nation’s survival, must do what he must do to acquire the help he needs to fight off the Russians."

Yeah, like declaring himself Dick Tator. He's the reason The Ukraine is in the absolute disaster of a situation it finds itself in. Promised to clean up the mess of decades of criminality since 1991, and he ends up the biggest criminal, oligarch globalist puppet and warmonger of them all.

147 posted on 10/23/2023 12:16:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: GBA
--- "To condemn Ukraine for the things we are also doing or allowing is the kind of hypocrisy I'd rather avoid. The beam in our eyes has blinded us to our own corruption such that I am not able to criticize other nations for doing the same things we're doing."

Fascinating. "...I am not able to criticize other nations for doing the same things we're doing." I agree and disagree with you.

As to agreement, this Biden administration is indeed corrupt, and as I have stated and documented, so is Ukraine, and so are Russia and the EU -- especially in the European Commission -- and beyond.

As to disagreement, "we" is a very poor pronoun to capture all of this nation, as any other nation. There are the good and innocent in all nations, and there are the corrupt and guilty in all nations. So I do not share you inability to "criticize other nations for doing the same things we're doing." Biden's corruption does not represent me. Or you, I am sure.

But who has said of late there continues corruption in Ukraine? Among others -- Reuters, Politico, CNN, Financial Times, The Economist and Deutsche Welle.

I prefer to foretell God's damnation for all nations' corruption, including ours. And Russia's. And Ukraine's.

150 posted on 10/23/2023 1:48:03 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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