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To: Redmen4ever
--- "You argue that the Constitution prevents us from entering into trade or alliances with other nations."

Don't think I argued that.

I did write, "There are resources aplenty here, should we aim for being a autarkic as possible, and from that base we can deal honestly with the rest of the world."

204 posted on 10/09/2023 7:59:30 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Thank you for admitting there is no constitutional basis for your position.

Being for “as close to autarky as possible,” it’s pretty clear that you would have opposed the Monroe Doctrine, and you would have opposed sending the U.S. Navy to attack the Barbary Coast States. You can disagree with me if my supposition is incorrect. But, if so, what is the basis for supporting the Monroe Doctrine and/or for defending U.S. merchant ships on the high seas?

How about Manifest Destiny (expanding to the Pacific)? Do you have a position on that, and what is the basis for supporting Manifest Destiny when you’re for “as close to autarky as possible”?

Now I will advance to the mid 20th Century. Prior to Pearl Harbor and Germany’s attack on the Soviet Union, we were making contingency plans to fight an axis alliance that stretched from the Pyrenees to the Pacific. This was called the Victory Plan.

We thought it would take a navy larger than all other navies of the world combined, an air force larger than all other air forces of the world combined, and ground forces totaling 400 divisions. As it is, with Germany’s attack on the Soviet Union, we scaled back our plan for ground forces to 90 divisions. This was called the 90 division gamble. And, we reserved manpower for our industrial base, to be the arsenal of democracy. Supporting our allies Great Britain, the Soviet Union and China.

Maybe you too would have supported our allies during WWII, in spite of you being for “as close to autarky as possible.”
But, maybe not. Maybe, you would have preferred that we be fortress America, and be ready to take on the entire world, when bad guys like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini and Tojo come along.

More to today, do you think the days of dictators like those guys are over, and we don’t have to concern ourselves with such a possibility as that?

And, now, one final question: do you think we would have won our war of independence without the support of France?


215 posted on 10/09/2023 8:34:47 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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