One more thing. Nick Pope has been on Coast to Coast AM where we see what crowd thinks of him as a UFO expert.
https://qa.coasttocoastam.com/guest/pope-nick-6699/
One thing I remember about Art Bell that is unlike Noory, he took his guests claims with a grain of salt, often demanding proof even though they were unable to give any. He wasn’t so much a crackpot himself as a skeptic. He just provided the guests and left the conclusions up to the audience.