Ep. 22 Larry Sinclair says he had a night of crack cocaine-fueled sex with Barack Obama, and that Obama came back for more the next day. (Video: Tucker Carlson 41 min)

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In retrospect, it’s pretty amazing that Barack Obama got as far as he did in 2004. The summer of 2004, Barack Obama gave the keynote address at the Democratic convention in Boston, and when he walked to the podium, probably only a small percentage of people in the room knew how to pronounce his name. He was totally.Unheard of. No one knew Barack Obama at the time.He was a state senator in Illinois.Four years later, he once again spoke to the Democratic convention, but this time as the nominee.Meteoric doesn’t begin to describe it. How did this happen? Well, the outlines are fairly well known, though rarely talked about. A small group of Democratic donors, mostly in Chicago, decided that Barack Obama was their guy. He was the vessel for their ambitions. They paid for his campaign. They paved the way for his rise.He spent two years pointlessly in the United States Senate, preparing to run for president in 2008 and of course, in the NT1.But the question was, who was this man? Where did he come from? What did he spent his life doing before he became president of the United States?Well, the news media, whose job it is to answer those questions, spent the entire 08 campaign trying to keep you from knowing the answers.By Election Day, most Americans knew only one thing about Barack Obama other than he was handsome and a good communicator. Hope and change.But they knew nothing about him.His origins, what he believed, and legitimate questions about those facts were turned away, as they often are with the claim. That’s a conspiracy theory. You’re crazy. Shut up.One of the most interesting moments in the 2008 campaign occurred when a man like Obama himself came from out of nowhere to recount his experiences with Barack Obama. The man. His name was Larry Sinclair, and he told an amazing story. He said that in 1999 he had encountered Barack Obama in Illinois had sex with.Barack Obama and then used cocaine with him.Sinclair went on to make these claims publicly at the National Press Club in Washington to sign a sworn affidavit and a take a lie detector test, but he was dismissed. In fact, he was attacked Obama shills like Ben Smith of Politico, who batted the claims out without refuting them. They’re absurd. And the rest of the media followed suit.But the claims weren’t absurd. We’re not claiming they’re true.But they were certainly credible. This was a first hand account of Barack Obama’s behavior by someone who’s willing to sworn signed a sworn affidavit to that effect.So the question is, whatever happened to Larry Sinclair?What’s this life been like since? That’s an interesting story. It turns out Larry Sinclair is still alive. He lives in Mexico, but today he’s in our studio. And we’re happy to have Larry Sinclair. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me.Where did you meet Barack Obama? It was by accident. I was in the Chicago area in 99 for Lee Dukes’s graduation from the Naval Academy. Who’s Lee Duke? He’s basically my godson, OK?I had hired A limousine service. I’m sure you up. Did you live in Chicago? No, no, I was actually living in Colorado. I had flown in the night before. OK, so I had hired A limousine service, had made it the driver aware that if Lee couldn’t leave the base because once they graduate.Some of them actually get their assignments and they’re shipping out and they can’t leave the base. That I was still interested in going out and had asked the driver if he knew anybody that was available that might wanna show me, you know, Chicago. And he said he did. So who was the driver? His name was Jamir.Multani.It was with Five Star Limo. So you’re just a guy who’s in town for the night, and it sounds like you’re looking to party. Actually, yeah, that’s that’s what you’re really. Yeah, Yeah. While I was in town for a few nights. But yeah, I was definitely looking to party. And did you make that clear to the driver? Oh yeah.Yeah, there was no misunderstanding. How, how, how direct were you? Extremely, extremely, Extremely. OK, Yeah, there was. There was no doubt what I was looking for. OK? And he picked me up at my hotel in Gurnee and drove into Chicago, pulled up in a bar outside.Then there’s this guy.That’s introduced to me as Barack Obama. It was literally that casual that. Had you ever heard of him? No.Did the driver know him? Yeah.The driver definitely knew him because the driver said that he was a front. Interesting. What? How would the driver be friends with Barack Obama? I only found out later of dealing with a reporter from Bloomberg News.Because I don’t care about it. I opened it, the thing defeated, and it read out like red. Red kept running away from me at the time was huh, Somehow. That’s right. I can’t. I can’t do anything about it. Interesting. So he knew Barack Obama and Barack Obama.Like the same kind of partying you were looking for? Yeah. OK, OK. So sex and drugs and upwards. The sex part I wasn’t so sure about until, of course, you. You know, you you make your move. But it became obvious very quick. The coke part I thought was interesting because of the way that I had brought it up. So I’m stepping on your story. So you pull it and apologize. So you pull up to this bar. The driver is basically scouting some dude for you to hang out with.Correct. There’s this guy, Barack Obama. Have you ever heard of Barack Obama? Never.Never. We’re having drinks. I mentioned the fact that I could use something to wake up. I was extremely exhausted. So you went into the bar? Yes, Sir. What kind of bar was it? I’m trying to remember. I’ve been trying to remember the name. I know that the glasses had three axes on them because I remember taking.One home for a friend of mine but I mean generally characterize it was it was it was as far no it was it was upscale quiet wasn’t really that that.Really didn’t have a lot of energy to it. It was more relaxed, more like a lounge as opposed to somewhere where people would go and get loud and crazy, yeah.Um, which made it easier to talk.Um, but like I said when I brought up the fact that I could do something to wake up, he immediately knew what I was referring to had made it clear that I was looking for coke, and I really was, and had made the suggestion that he knew where we could get it and we left to go get it.Interesting. Did he say what he did for a living? No.I had no idea that he was a representative in the Illinois House, had no idea he was in politics. I just knew that he was supposedly married and at the time was going through some issues with the marriage. Did he said that? That was made clear.Huh.Did he say what kind of issues? No. Remember, No. So you said I’m looking for something to wake up. He knows you’re referring to cocaine.I know where to get it. What happens next? We get back in the limo. The driver takes us wherever it is that Barack had instructed him to take us. I had given Barack $250 to pay for coke. He gets out, comes back. I start putting a line on a CD tray.To snort and you’re you’re in the limo. Yep. Driving or parked? No, it doesn’t. Drivers driving. Yep, I start to put a line on a on a CD tray and I just happened to notice that he pulled something else out of his pocket and next thing I know he’s got a little pipe.He’s smoking, so I don’t have an issue with it. I mean, some people smoke, some people snort smoking the cocaine, yes. So as I’m doing a line.I just start.This is the part where you, you know, you kind of make your move to to see where things are going. So I just started rubbing my hand along this thigh to see where it was going and it went the direction I had intended it to go.Um.So the night became somewhat active sexually and drug wise in the limo.Umm, so you hit on him. Did he seem shocked by that? Not at all.Yeah.Pure.Like, you gotta imagine things are. We might go crazy places. Well, not only imagine it. I look at it this way. I look I’ve done a lot of crazy things in my lifetime. I’m a pretty good judge of character, and I pretty much know whether or not I can move in a certain direction with an individual. I didn’t feel that.I was going in the wrong direction. I just wasn’t so sure how much I could trust the individual right at first. And that was probably one of my bigger concerns. But the fact that I was already becoming somewhat buzzed, Yeah, you kind of throw caution to the wind. You weren’t sure you can trust the individual. What does that mean?And.When you meet someone out of the blue and you go to a level that you’re doing drugs with, or you’re giving money to purchase drugs or even for sexual activity, you have to be sure that you can trust them. And when I say trust them, mean that you’re not gonna end up being robbed or that you’re not gonna end up having.A knife stuck into you, right? You know from. One Direction or another, or that, you’re not going to pull up somewhere and all of a sudden the car door is going to open and you’ve got five people pulling you out of it. So that’s what I mean when I say trust someone and you and you.And you’ve been around at this point. Oh, you’re life. Big time. Yeah. Right. So probably not your first time in a situation like this. Not at all. And and that’s why I said, I pretty much know where I can go. And. And yeah. And at what point. So you start rubbing his leg and he’s, I mean I think.That would be totally blunt with you. Like a man who’s not into *** *** would be like, whoa, sounds settle down. Trust me. If it was something that you were not interested in. Yeah, and you’re right. I’ve had guys that I’ve read wrong that would literally try to break your hand for sure if if you went in that route. So it it’s not like this was something that he wasn’t into.It’s not something that he was shocked by. Shocked by You don’t get excited and you don’t unbutton your pants and you don’t just sit there and let it happen, you know? So it wasn’t, it definitely wasn’t Barack’s first time. That much I’m I’m absolutely certain of.Uh, and I would almost be willing to budget wasn’t as lost.So, umm, so you performed oral sex on. I did. You did?In in the drivers up front. Yep. And he’s cool with this. The driver has the partition up. He didn’t have a problem when he didn’t put it down for any reason. I mean, he kind of set up the whole thing for this in the first place exactly. And I have a funny feeling he had no bones to pick with it as far as what took place. And yeah.Umm, So what happened after? Uh, afterwards I actually went back to my hotel. I had specifically asked that he dropped a rock off first, but for some reason he and Barack chose that they would drop me off at the hotel first and then he would take her up. So Barack actually made the drive out to Gurney, which is a suburb.Outside of Chicago to the hotel for me to be dropped off. What hotel was it? It was the Comfort Inn in Gurnee OHT. Sounds depressing and well, you have to remember it was 99. Yeah.And it was close to the Great Plains, Great Lakes, naval facilities, yeah, but.I got dropped off. They left the next day. Was somewhat interesting because he ends up showing up at my hotel room, which I thought was.Somewhat weird.But.He wanted some more. So when you say he showed up, he just, he showed up. I mean, I had no warning. I was in the room. There’s a knock on the door. I opened the door and he’s standing there.And he’s standing there with more coke and he comes in and it was just like a quick, you know, rehash or rerun from the night before. The exact same program, exact same program. Was he smoking again?So Barack Obama smokes crack and then you perform fail sex on him. And like I said, the only reason I had come out in about it is I had reached out to the campaign even in 2007.Only because I saw all these kids getting excited about. OK, wait, just So how did that end? Like, the same way.You get off, you finish smoking.You leave.Like thanks, bye.What did you think of?I thought it was interesting.I thought it was definitely a con.But what do you mean by that? Well, in my life at that point, you would you. You made it clear I had already been around. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. So, you know when people are.Doing things because they actually really enjoy it. Or they’re sincere. They’re looking, you know, for a connection, or they’re doing something because they’re looking for an end, or they’re looking for a hook, or it’s a game. Yeah. So for me, I felt that it was a game for him. It was like, OK, what am I going to get out of it?Is there something I can get out of it other than just, you know, the sexual part? Right. And lucky for me, I wasn’t going back to Chicago anytime soon, so it really didn’t matter. So you were left.With a bad taste in your mouth, there’s something, yeah.Yep.Did you?Talk to him again. I did not. In fact, I. And did you have any idea? Even though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him. Watch him smoke crack twice. You had no idea who he was. I had no idea who he was until I’m sitting in my house and to Kuala Nagate, Mexico, in 2004 and he walked.On that stage in Boston, the DNC convention, and I literally hit the floor. I just hit the floor and we’ll wait. So you’re watching the Democratic convention from Mexico? I was. And the guy that smoke crack in your comfort in with you. I was laughing so hard and you were sure it was now I was absolutely positive.How And I don’t forget people I’ve met. I don’t forget people I have spent time with. I just don’t. And just to just to restate because I think you affirmed this but he used his real name when you’re.That comes up Barack or Barry? Barack. Barack. And so did the driver.And that’s why at first when everybody was referring to him as Barry, I just didn’t understand or or or catch on because like I said, I didn’t know that much about him other than the fact that, hey.You know you you hook up.You know, today it’s Grinder. Back then it was, you know, the limo driver, yeah.A limo driver or bartender, You know, you ask, and somebody knows somebody or somebody doesn’t.Amazing. So you’re sitting there in Mexico watching this and you think that’s the guy I had sex with who smoke crack and with me here And what do you think? Like I said, I just started cracking up. I freaked out. I had even pointed out to some friends of mine that were in the house that night and I told them, I said, you’re not going to believe this.I said.I blew the sky twice, you know, and they just start cracking up.But that’s the thing about me. I’ve never been in the closet. I’ve never hit. I mean, I’m always very direct and blunt and, you know, and I’m just like.This is unreal, you know, and.I had no idea that he was going to run, you know, in 2008, but I was back from Mexico. But it it was a strange feeling, sitting there watching him walk across that stage and realizing who he was.So what did you do? You said you reached out to the campaign. Why didn’t do anything in 2004? But when he announced his run for 2008, I did reach out to the campaign and late 2007, because I had seen a lot of these college kids talking about how.For real. They were how there was a a candidate who was completely honest about his entire life, his drug use. You know what he did is when he was in school, you know, the constant back and forth one minute is yes, I did cocaine when I was younger or no, I never did cocaine, but I smoked weed.So I just simply pointed out that all I was asking was look.Why don’t you just simply come out and say?I did Coke and I’ve done it as recently as 1999.You know, just tell the truth.Put it out there and be honest and let it stay as the truth rather than this back and forth.Never did hear anything back from them immediately. How did who did you reach out to? Do you remember I reached out to actually David Axelrod’s office in Chicago. I’m trying to remember the letters because it was actually 3 letters. And did you say I had sex with Barack Obama?This is the interesting part.My first contact with the campaign never mentioned the sex whatsoever.Um.That was actually brought to my attention.By someone who eventually reached out to me in late 2007, claiming to be with the campaign but wasn’t with the campaign. What do you mean that was pointed out to you? So you never told anyone in the Obama campaign you had sex with Barack? Not in 2007, No. Interesting, but they knew.Yep.How cool.That’s weird. I’m assuming Barack himself, because the phone calls that I got in late 2007 came from a gentleman that I have repeatedly identified as Donald Young.And it was Donald Young who had mentioned to me that the campaign was not going to acknowledge the sex and the drug, oh, interaction. And I was somewhat taken back because, like I said, I had never mentioned the sex to the campaign at all at that point.I had in 2008, but I had not in 2008. That is amazing. And I wanna get to who Donald Young was in just a minute. But I and I apologize for being a bad interviewer. But let me just ask the obvious question, which What was Obama like on crack? Actually, and I hate to say this because some people are going to think I’m really crazy.Uh, I knew a lot of people that smoked it because I was in Miami in the early 80s when it became quite popular.Um.Similar to.A friend of mine that I knew in Miami gets extremely high call.Almost.You Floric.Um.And then as it starts to come down.You know the.Twitching and the looking, anything that looks white sitting on the seat or or the OR the floor you assume is another piece that fell off that you know you can pick up and smoke.But uh.While he was high.Pretty much the same. Pretty controlled, pretty controlled, euphoric.Um.Talkative, but not really saying anything.So it was like his presidency.A lot like.Was it your impression? And of course you would. Strictly speaking, no. But was it your impression that this was the first time you ever smoke crack? No.No, you don’t. First of all, you don’t buy crack getting a limo and have a pipe in your pocket if it’s the first time you smoke crack.You just don’t.That makes sense.So I I read about your story to the extent been written about, not very much.But I never read that.Donald Young. This man, Donald Young.Called you.And told you that he knew you’d had sex with Barack Obama. That was the contact in late 2007 that I had that originally came under the guise that they were the they were part of the Obama campaign. Who was Donald Young, Donald Young, as a choir director and a school teacher.He was acquired director at Jeremiah Wright’s church in Chicago, the same church that Barack Obama went to.He was also a very openly gay black man, but very well respected. Did you know him? I had never met it. I had not even realized that the person who was communicating with me had been killed.Uh, until a good two months after. So I’m gonna get to that. So Donald Young is the choir director of Jeremiah Wright’s church? Yes. And is it publicly confirmed that he knew Barack Obama? Oh, yes.Donald Young’s own mother has repeatedly said that she feels that her son died to protect.Barack Obama.It’s just interesting that Donald Young.Would have called you. He’s not working directly for the campaign that we know of exactly, but somehow he has a copy of your letter. It sounds like maybe Donald Young was on clean up duty somehow. He has my phone number. Exactly. And that’s exactly what it was. Because like I said, the first calls were. It was I was led to believe that he was with the campaign.The last conversation that I had had with Donald Young, he had actually come clean and said that he had been asked to call me and that his job was to get as much information from me as far as who I had spoken to, who I had given any information to and to get that to them.He had told me to be careful, to watch myself and to understand that the Barack Obama campaign was not in any way, shape or form going to acknowledge anything or come out about anything. And he had made it clear that he had known Barack for quite some time and had had an intimate relationship.Corrupt for quite some time. He told you that? Yep. And that’s when I knew that I could at least trust what I was being told.Uh.Originally I had made it clear I didn’t feel comfortable with the phone call because something just didn’t seem right. But after a couple of calls it started to all fall into place and I had said the same thing to myself, which you didn’t know Dolly Young existed.It sounds like you’re not very political anyway. You weren’t. I wasn’t at the time.And you’re just annoyed that?Obama was talking about cocaine and lying about it. I was extremely annoyed. But the sex part had nothing to do with it. No. And Donald Young? We don’t know, Never heard of calls up and says. By the way, I know you had sex with Barack Obama. I did too.No.Pretty much.I mean, this is a longer conversation, which we have in a minute, but I mean, Obama has a wife and kids and he’s telling America a great family man he is. Is that maybe you’ve seen this a lot. What do you think of that?What? Well, you know, in 2008 I made it clear that Obama was having marital problems in 99, and everybody in the world said that I was crazy, didn’t know what I was talking about. And yet, what was it six months ago? Barack Obama comes out and tells the world that.Exactly what I said was the truth. In 1999, he and Michelle came very close to divorce.Really.15 years later, what I say is the truth. But 15 years earlier, I’m a liar and a fraud. It’s interesting how things eventually come out. But yes, believe me, I’ve seen, I’ve known guys that were completely happily married that will screw around with another man.On a weekly basis and think nothing of it.Was it? Is it your sense that that’s who Obama is, just transactional or that he’s bisexual? Or like, what is this? No, my feeling that Barack Obama is probably.And he’s definitely by. I think that there is a lot of transactional qualities to him because they think whatever he does, it is looking for a hook or looking for a benefit.That that’s consistent with his public persona too, I would say. So. Dolly Young calls you, you actually end up sounds like you kind of like and trust all Young I did.Did he say how long he had a relationship with He had just said that they had been intimate for years. Intimate for years. And what happened to Doyoung? Donald Young was shot dead in his apartment second floor in Chicago, IL. I think it was December 23rd.2007.According to the police report, the death certificate, multiple gunshot wounds, close range.No forced entry.Second floor apartment.Yet not a single resident in the building heard a single shot.But yet they can hear every shot that’s fired in the street outside.Uh, Jeremiah Wright announces that Donald Young’s dead.Earlier that morning, even before it was announced, even before he was declared dead. I mean, a lot of it just didn’t make sense.This all public can get this up and still on the Internet.Uh, tell us about Don Young’s mother. Norma Jane Young actually is a former Chicago Police Department employee.She has worked for the Chicago PD.Um, I had spoken with his sister Lorraine.Shortly after, I realized that he was the gentleman that I had been speaking with.There were people at the time that were attempting to have Lorraine and other members of Donald’s family filed criminal complaints against me when Chicago because they want to be arrested. They were trying to get the family to say that I was trying to con them or something. To my knowledge, they never.Did any such thing but.At the same time, I continue to respect Lorraine and the rest of the family.Um, but Mrs. Young had finally come out and told David Nelson, who was a reporter, that I knew out of Minnesota, that she was convinced that Donald had been killed, that his death was to protect his friend Obama.And she confirmed that they had in fact been extremely close for years.Umm.I mean, did she confirm that they’ve had sex? Obama and Donald Young? Her confirmation wasn’t referencing or she did not specifically say that they were sexually involved. She just simply said that they had been intimate friends for four years.But she believed the Obama campaign was she responsible? She believed that his death was due to protecting Barack Obama. And I made the same argument that.People said, well, how are you accusing Barack? I said I’m not accusing Barack of anything, but I said I’m willing to bet my life.That Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright both.No.Or have knowledge of who killed dumb young. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Well, this was a guy who was clearly going to be the next leader of the world. You know, people kill each other over insurance claims, over bar fights, and there’s a lot at stake here. I have no knowledge of this. I’m not alleging a murderer.by the obama campaign or its allies but it it’s not it’s not a crazy thing to wonder obviously no and the only thing i after i realized what had happened with donald young the only thing i’d ever asked was the same thing that i had done and i said you know if you want to accuse me of being crazy you know release your phone records you know turn over your phone

Records Health Turn over your phone Records from your phone in 99 turn over your phone records for the last year.I mean, it’s that easy. If you’ve got nothing to hide, it’s not like they’re going to be made public. Turn them over to authorities, let them investigate, let them look.But no.So now seems like a fair time to ask about your your motive. So your initial motive was you were annoyed.Because you believe you knew that Obama was lying about his drug use, right? But then after The Donald Young.Exchange where he brings up the sacks that you had with Obama.Umm.What’s What was the point at which you decided I’m just going to bring this to the country, gonna go public well in January of 2008, after having contacted the campaign yet again.I had decided, you know what, screw it. I’m just going to make a YouTube video and put it up.Which I did.Um, it wasn’t because I was looking for anything out of it. In fact, if I had even stopped long enough to anticipate the blowback and and the consequences of speaking out.Umm.Me being me, it probably would not have stopped me. It might have slowed me a little bit, but it would not have stopped me. But.Umm.I figured if you’re going to call him out, you can’t call him out on part of it. And and people said, well, why didn’t you just talk about the drug use and leave the socks out? And I said because if I said he just used drugs and then you found out later it was drugs and such, you would accuse me of lying because I didn’t mention the sex.So my.The opinion was, if you’re going to tell the story, then you tell the whole story and let the chips fall where they may. So that’s exactly what I did, and she made a YouTube video by the way I look, I look for it. Last night, I couldn’t find it. That’s because YouTube gave access to my account to someone shortly after.The polygraph test and I was never given access back to it before the video was actually deleted.Are you serious? Oh yeah. YouTube gave access to the account and the video was deleted. Microsoft gave access to my Hotmail account and all of my emails were.Circulating the Internet and vacation replies were set up on my e-mail telling people that I was busy giving **** **** and would get back with them when I was done. And yeah.Man, they wanted Obama to be president.Yep. And they wanted me to be the biggest fraud and nut case that ever existed.So I gotta ask you, I mean.You know, I I wasn’t there. I could only assess what you’re saying. I don’t see any obvious motive for you for gain. Financial gain. You’re not gonna get rich doing this, and in fact you haven’t got impoverished as a result of it. But.Like if I’m a reporter. I was a reporter at the time. I remember thinking, well, that’s an interesting story.But it seemed like nobody in the media wanted to follow up with you and some people like Ben Smith of Politico, who’s a liar and a shill posing as a journalist.I read the piece last night that he wrote saying, oh, it’s ridiculous right off the first graph. It’s ridiculous, these claims, but I think I have an answer for why a lot of reporters did not wanna follow up, and I think it would have something to do with what David Axelrod told a old Chicago Sun Times reporter.Or no Chicago Tribune reporter John Cruz.Axelrod had been a reporter in Chicago politics. Well, John Crewdson worked for the Chicago Tribune and John Crutzen actually came to Duluth, MN and sat down with me and and talked with me and John Cruz. And he had told me point blank that before he had flown out, that he had spoken to Axelrod.And that Axelrod had told him that they were aware of who I was and that it was their intentions to destroy me. And that if any reporter had mentioned me to them, they would be completely cut off in that outlet, would be completely cut off from access to the Obama campaign for the duration of the year. So I think that had a lot to do with why reporters didn’t bring things up to the campaign, because everybody wanted access to, you know, the new savior.Nobody wanted to be blackballed and and denied access to a historic campaign. Yeah, but I mean if it’s the guys running for president and credible information comes out that he’s smoking crack and having sex with dudes.I mean that that seems like a story. Well, it would be a story of the media really cared about telling people the truth about it, exactly.Ben Smith is a liar. Oh, Ben Smith’s more than a liar. But you’re right. What do you mean, more than a liar? He’s a complete fraud.Ben Smith You know, I hear people talking about grifters. Ben Smith to me as a grifter. Ben Smith wrote an article.Saying that I had a 27 year.Criminal history. Career criminal.And The funny thing is, is if you look my criminal history up, which I’ve published myself and provided from day one, my criminal history goes from 1980 to 1986 and everything I’ve ever done, I’ve owned it. I’ve never wasted taxpayer money and any sentence I’ve ever been given, I’ve served.Um, but.He also said that I was a fugitive, that I was avoiding prosecution, I was trying to prevent from going to jail. None of that was true.But.The media ran with it. Even Greta. Even Greta linked to it and said that people ask me why I would not interview Larry Sinclair. This is why. And she linked to Ben Smith’s article and noticed his article was published right when I was preparing to do the press conference at the National Press Club.But hey.The National Press Club so-called Beacon for freedom of of the press.They were just as involved in trying the story.From ever being, it’s interesting. I’ve I’ve watched the other night, I watched your entire National Press Club appearance, and in it you detail your intersections with law enforcement.Exhaustively. Every time you get arrested, you explain. Every time you’ve done time. Yeah, you explained it. So you didn’t, from what I could tell, hide your past. No. Why? You you can’t. I mean, I’ve never hit my past in regular, everyday life. Why would I hide it in something like that? So I mean, you’re the only person on this said who’s had sex with Barack Obama, so I think you’re.I, I don’t know expert on Obama, but you know more than most people. What’s your assessment of him now?Uh.I think he’s the same grifter that he’s always been. I think he’s still very power hungry. I think Obama is calling the shots in the current Biden administration more than people are willing to admit.Umm.I think Obama is hell bent. I had made a statement there in that press conference that I felt that Barack Obama being elected was going to push race, race relations in this country backwards 50 years. I am absolutely positive. I was. Yes, I well, I think you’ve been, you’ve been vindicated.Snack because race relations in this country has not only gotten pushed back, but everything’s about race now. Everything, everything is about victimization now.I’m It’s interesting though, yeah, he’s obviously a race hater.Very anti white. But he had sex with a white man. So you have to ask, like, is that real? Oh, for him, of course. And I would be willing to bet you I’m not the only white person he’s ever had sex with. Or male. Anybody. Yeah, but hey, he’s got what he wanted. You know he is.And DC, he’s living the life. He still looked upon his as being the savior of of the country, you know. And sadly people are still giving him that power. And I think it’s going eventually to be to the detriment of getting. Just ask you one last question. How did you get that’s I’m saying it’s very insightful.Because I.I knew a lot of people who weren’t liberal who voted for Obama purely on the race question, and they weren’t all self hating guilty whites were like nice normal people who wanted to see race relations improve. And that really was the core promise of his campaign. And a lot of people bought. A lot of smart people bought it and I saw why they bought it.But you didn’t buy it. How did you know that? I grew up in South Carolina in the 1960s and 70s, OK. I’ve been gay and knew I was gay since six years old. Never hit it. OK, Yeah, I grew up rural South Carolina, and my first job as a kid was cropping tobacco for.Family by the name of Rose that were black family living across the road from my grandparents.Um, so I grew up as a kid, A gay kid in an era and a area that would get you killed being gay just as quick as you could be hanging being black. So I actually knew the other side of the track.Before I knew that I was supposed to act like I was above this or above that.I’ve watched it my whole life. I know when someone plays, when it comes to acting like they’re.One way. And then in reality, they’re the biggest racists or bigots alive on both sides. OK, I knew, because he was saying one thing in the campaign, and then if people started to actually listen to what he was saying, remember there was a time when he actually told supporters to show up at a fight.With the knife, get in people’s face. Argue with them. If they didn’t agree to support him. If they didn’t agree to vote for him, argue with them. Convince them. Come on, you don’t make statements like that and tell me.That you’re not going to make things about race.He did, man.That is, that is the one part of your story that we can say unequivocally. You’re telling the truth about. You saw that and most people didn’t. Larry Sinclair, I’m really grateful that you came. I wish I had interviewed you in 2008. I don’t think anyone would have run the interview.But anyway, thank you. You’re welcome. Thank you. Great to meet you too.

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