Posted on 08/28/2023 2:35:06 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
(Reuters) -Hawaiian Electric's shares jumped more than 40% on Monday after the utility said its power lines in West Maui had been shut down for more than six hours before wildfires started in the area during the afternoon.
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Hawaiian Electric said on Monday that a morning fire on Aug. 8 caused by power lines that fell in high winds was subsequently reported "100% contained" and later declared "extinguished" by the Maui County Fire Department.
The utility said another afternoon fire started in the same area more than six hours after all of its power lines in West Maui had been de-energized, which could not be contained by the fire department and spread out of control toward Lahaina.
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Someone needs to check the clocks in homes that never got burned to see if they reflected a power outage. I don’t trust the Mai power company who will lie about everything if they didn’t cut power.
Spelling: Maui power company
Where have we heard that before? 🤔
If it’s not a natural disaster, they can’t subvert the native Hawaiian sacred land laws (Lahaina is designated sacred ground), the historic district laws and rezoning laws. At least that is what I understand about the executive order that was written in July, which apparently stated that after a natural disaster, all those zoning laws were null and void.
Interesting timing though.
Who are the arsonists for many of the fires 🔥 in different countries? No, it doesn’t add up. I see where Greek police have arrested 160 (maybe more) people for arson, for the fires 🔥 in Greece.
I thought we saw reports earlier today that said they didnt shut off power lines and that caused the fires. When I read that I thought, they’re owning this way too fast...prolly told to take the hit so people stop pressing for the truth.
So the cops had to block the exit roads because of downed live power lines, and the power company said the lines had already been shut off. Another hole in the official story.
Well, at least the elites will get their reserve.
I’ve been hearing that the power was off from the very beginning of this discussion. I’ve been watching the interviews with survivors on YouTube. They’ e all said the power was off. It’s the media and the government that keeps changing their narrative… beginning with “It was caused by climate change.”
We had a fire in NM last year in the summer from a February controlled burn that smoldered for months and reignited. The fire department should never thought the fire was completely out.
“Interesting timing though.”
Interesting, convenient and coincidental timing. And I no longer believe in coincidences any time leftist government is concerned.
How long do power transformers hold a charge after power is removed? Are they like capacitors on old TVs?
That’s hard to believe it smoldered that long. Don’t y’all get a pretty good amount of snow in places in New Mexico?
I guess there’s the possibility of an unattended campfire, but that’s hard to picture with the winds that day. Does Maui have homeless? One interesting thing about the islands, the humidity is such that mildew grows almost overnight.
Expect kooks posting that the fires were caused by Directed Energy Weapons.
Apparently the electricity in Lahaina isn’t that reliable and they lose power frequently. Why ppl put up with such third world conditions in a place like America is beyond me. “Living in paradise, so it’s okay” gets old after awhile. However, I heard some survivors say on YouTube that the power was out early that morning, so what Hawaiian Electric said is plausible.
They’ll try to say it was because of the hurricane force winds. If not for the winds, the fire from a downed power line would have been put out easily, so it essentially was a natural disaster. I don’t think they figured on getting this much scrutiny from the press and the public, so they thought they’d get away with this land grab easily.
I can totally believe HEC’s account of the sequence of events. High winds in the morning caused several poles to break off or fall over causing the energized lines to arc to ground resulting is sparking and a grass fire.The circuit breaker back at the substation would have opened and de-energized the line. Fire department get called, puts out the fire. Now HEC has several broken poles and hundreds of feet of conductor, maybe more, lying on the ground. So the supervisor locks out the breaker at the sub to ensure that the line can’t be re-energized and then sends in the line crews to start putting things back in the air. Sounds like standard utility practice to me. So then 6 hours later another fire starts some ways away from the de-energized power lines. Nah, ain’t buying it. I guessing HEC has all of the actions documented because that’s how it’s done in the business. Somebody is full of shit here and I don’t think it’s HEC.
Yes, but it can act as insulation in some instances. Weird.
There were reports a few weeks ago that an initial fire was sparked by power lines but the Maui firefighters put that fire out. They then declared the fire to be contained and left for other needs.
The fire eventually flared back up and that's what spread to Lahaina.
-PJ
Fires can get into underground deposits of organic matter and keep slowly burning for a long time. Not to mention they can be difficult to extinguish. Whether the local environment in that part of Maui is conducive to this sort of thing, I don’t know.
Then there are cases where fire gets into extensive dead roots or root systems, and such could be exposed at multiple points. I’ve never heard of such burning for many months, but a week or two can definitely happen.
In some cases, especially during “fire weather”, an observer is left behind at the scene of an extinguished (the fire crew thinks) fire. This can be most anyone with a means to communicate back to dispatch, but ideally the observer is capable and equipped to snuff out a small flare up B4 it can really get going. (In 60-80 mph winds in dry brush, they’d better be darn quick!)
I am very curious as to how far the 2nd fire (which then went into Lahaina) started from the fire 6 hours earlier, and was the 2nd fire downwind? An ember can travel a long way in 60+ mph winds.
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