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Stalin's Super Soldier Experiments - Forgotten History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pILTO15JRQ0 ^ | 14/12/22 | Mike Droberg

Posted on 08/22/2023 2:28:07 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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To: Spacetrucker

And you were using it against personnel? I don’t think that would be the norm.


21 posted on 08/22/2023 4:11:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Suppression fire does wonders for crowd dispersal in the 🏜.


22 posted on 08/22/2023 4:15:10 PM PDT by Spacetrucker (George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British - HE SHOT THEM .. WITH GUNS)
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To: Yardstick

But no, you’re right, it isn’t the ‘norm’.


23 posted on 08/22/2023 4:16:15 PM PDT by Spacetrucker (George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British - HE SHOT THEM .. WITH GUNS)
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To: Yardstick

Now that I think about it, when the .50cal is the only mounted weapon in the bird, you use it in whatever way is necessary.


24 posted on 08/22/2023 4:20:21 PM PDT by Spacetrucker (George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British - HE SHOT THEM .. WITH GUNS)
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To: Eleutheria5

I just watched this today on my YouTube feed. What are the odds of that?


25 posted on 08/22/2023 4:24:14 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Spacetrucker

Well, there’s no law against using .50 cal against people but my understanding is it’s not generally done, for two reasons. The first is that it’s seen as inhumane. The other is that it’s considered overkill and a waste of resources that could be put to better use. So it’s not the norm but if push comes to shove it does get used that way.


26 posted on 08/22/2023 4:26:49 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Eleutheria5

insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat.”

Maybe he was successful. Sorta sounds like the average soldier in the Soviet Army during WWII.


27 posted on 08/22/2023 4:31:56 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Eleutheria5
Stalin wasn't being very bright about this. There are people who don't feel pain for example - lepers. It wouldn't make them better soldiers, just ones that are more vulnerable to injury and disease.

Likewise one could surmise that fearlessness such as from a drug is counterproductive, leading the soldiers to become reckless and getting them killed more easily.

28 posted on 08/22/2023 4:32:48 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: Yardstick

My basement tenant in Far Rockaway, an ex-Marine, told me that he was trained on a .50 caliber side-mounted helicopter gun. It might not be “sporting,” but neither was the Atom Bomb.


29 posted on 08/22/2023 4:48:00 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Dictators usually have huge blind spots. Hitler believed he was a military genius, so constantly overruled his generals’ plans in Russia, undoing himself. He deprived his army of rollingstock needed to supply his troops, because he gave priority to shipping Jews, Gypsies, etc., to the death camps.

Stalin refused to believe that Hitler meant him any harm until his troops invaded. He also ran gulags for fun and profit, purged his military of officers who knew what they were doing, starved his peasantry to death, and also had this super soldier idea.

Putin invaded one country once too many times, incapable of conceiving that it was evolving socially, politically and militarily in the interim since his last invasion.

China’s now developing their own brand of super soldier that makes Schwarzenegger in his prime look tiny? I think there’s a fundamental flaw in how they did it, or how they’ll utilize this resource. What that flaw is, we’ll discover if and when they invade Taiwan. But I know intuitively that it’s flawed.


30 posted on 08/22/2023 4:59:32 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Yeah but your post was about the killer instinct directed at enemy troops, that is people — bayonetting them, throwing grenades at them, strafing them from a helicopter. Shooting up equipment with a .50 cal, which is probably what your tenant was trained to do, is a different thing. It’s less visceral, less an expression of the distinctively male killer instinct. Shooting enemy personnel from a helicopter is more in line with the gist of your post, and that would normally be done with a .30 cal, not a .50 cal.


31 posted on 08/22/2023 5:01:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

I’ll take your word for it. Whatever your military experience, it has to be more than mine ever was.


32 posted on 08/22/2023 5:24:45 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Probably a factoid I picked up from the military guys I was around when I did defense related work. Just one of those things that sticks with you for some reason...


33 posted on 08/22/2023 5:58:27 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

You are right about one thing, maybe weapons have moved on, but the M60 was the most underrated weapon of the VietNam War. Versatile and reliable, as many a door gunner from the era will testify.


34 posted on 08/22/2023 7:07:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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I saw an article yesterday saying the M60 was the most iconic weapon of the Vietnam war.

Re the .50 cal, it would be interesting to know the current doctrine about its use against personnel. It seems to get a fair amount of debate on the interwebs based on a quick scan of Google search results.


35 posted on 08/23/2023 5:40:41 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Eleutheria5; dfwgator

“Take that hill!”

“YOU take that hill!”

“What’s your problem?!?”

“Oh, I think you know what the problem is!”


36 posted on 08/23/2023 7:38:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why Xena the Warrior Princess would never work.


37 posted on 08/23/2023 8:45:04 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Eleutheria5

Well, as a TV show, it worked for a lot of young men who would otherwise not had any kind of social life at all. ;^)


38 posted on 08/23/2023 8:51:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Also gave a lot of impressionable young girls the delusion that they can easily beat men in a fight. Hope they didn’t get hurt, or manage to get ahold of that Frisby with the razor edges.


39 posted on 08/23/2023 8:53:49 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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