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To: Jim Noble
We never used ivermectin because there is no evidence of an effect in hospitalized patients.

In the case of hospitalized patients, yes, it's true. But if it's true that covid is biphasic, that in the first phase, you expect the virus to be attacking the upper airway, but in the second phase, when it's lower in the trachea, the bronchi, those cells are more vulnerable, then ivermectin would be insufficient. That would be the development that would call for bigger guns - large doses of anti-inflammatories, anticoagulants, antihistamines. The right medications have to be used at the right times. I've been taking 3mg. ivermectin (with 15mg. Zn gluconate every alternate day and 2000iu vit. D daily) prophylactically since Oct. 2020. If I had the slightest notion that I were coming down with something, I would immediately titrate up to 6mg. And let me tell you, it was hard to acquire. I only take it Oct. through March. If the supply were not so precarious, I would probably take it year round.


48 posted on 08/13/2023 8:33:01 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (I believe it! He's alive! Sweet Jesus!)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
if it's true that covid is biphasic, that in the first phase, you expect the virus to be attacking the upper airway, but in the second phase, when it's lower in the trachea, the bronchi, those cells are more vulnerable, then ivermectin would be insufficient.

I think that's what doctors believed in the beginning.

To use your word "biphasic," I think the first phase is as you suggest except that it's the entry point of the virus through the sinuses.

The second phase is more of a blood disease of the endothelial cells that line the inner walls of the blood vessels. It is here that the virus binds to the ACE2 receptors, increases the production of super-oxidants (free radicals) and blocks the production of the anti-oxidant glutathione. This leads to oxidative stress, the production of hydrogen peroxide inside the body, and then the pulmonary disorders that you describe as the second phase.

Quercetin and zinc is good for treating the first phase; NAC is good for treating the second phase.

-PJ

52 posted on 08/13/2023 8:53:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Very good points! Most of those that were actually hospitalized were done so because their cases had advanced beyond simple “home remedies” and care (hospitals sent oodles of people home telling them to monitor their health, and if they developed trouble breathing, to go back to hospital. They essentially sent the majority home telling them to take Tylenol and just “watch and wait”- for those folks, ivermectin may have worked wonders and kept them from developing into full blown lower respiratory covid cases like you mentioned.

Once the cytokin storm hits hard, the outlook wasn’t so good, and ivermectin would never have been enough, especially on its own or in co junction with antibiotics

Also, I don’t know if it’s true or not, but there were sites saying it needed to be taken with zinc to be the most effective? We did take it with zinc just incase that was true. But if it is true, I doubt the hospitals were administering zinc along with it?

Do you I crease your vit D when you think a virus is coming on? I’ve read that megadosing can help- (50,000 to 80,000 iu). I’m not sure if that is true either, if so, it’s a cheap way to gain extra help when sick


70 posted on 08/14/2023 6:02:55 AM PDT by Bob434
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